Depends just how much he improves his shot and whether he will be able to take it off the dribble. I guess absolutely best case scenario some version of Iguodala/Butler/Brown hybrid.
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Since his stocks are low in college does it not make sense to compare him to a guy that has low stocks in the nba aka Dort? You are dinging him for not being a stocks guy and acting like that limits his effectiveness when it doesn't. Arguably the best defensive wing in the nba isn't a stocks guy and there is no reason to think Castle can't do exactly what he does. Castle is a Bowen and Dort type of defender that just locks guys down and makes the game hard. I could careless if he isn't a stocks guy. He is a beast defensively and there is no doubt in my mind that it will translate to the nba at a very high level.
The comparison is stocks as a prospect compared to stocks as a prospect, like I said, stocks is an indicator of more than getting stocks in the NBA. I am dinging him because one of the most important indicators of defense (really players as a whole) is very low. If you can't wrap your head around the concept of an indicator, I can't help you. Dort is evidence for me, he was a better stocks guy coming into the draft. If you want to counter my logic, find a guy who whose stocks were lower than Castle's and that would serve as a counterpoint.
I do think Castle can be an exception to the rule, but given that there have only been two guys in the last 10+ years to receive an all defense stocks with lowers stocks, I hesitate to say he will be the very best in the NBA.
Memphis is historically a team willing to take guys based on their board and not consensus, so Edey makes a lot of sense.
I think you are reading way too much into stocks. Castle is flat out the best individual perimeter defender that I have seen at the college level.
It wouldn't surprise me. Center is by far their biggest need and they can afford swing for the fences.
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He might be the best at on ball perimeter defense, nor sure I would say he's the best overall perimeter defender in this class. In any case, I think I have to see a really compelling argument to be offended at the notion a prospect won't be the very best in the NBA at something. Castle doesn't clear that bar for me. I think he will be very good despite the poor indicators, but I don't think he's a generational perimeter defender like you do.
Indicators are cool and all, but anyone with functional eyes can see Castle is a great defensive prospect
Bawse Dawg
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Like how great a small no defense guard like Mitchell is, right?
YoungJefe
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Dude is still valued around the league
Bawse Dawg
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That's a pretty broad, Gobert is also valued around the league.
Castle has similar stocks to some of the players we are comparing him to(per 40):
Castle - 2.0
Butler - college career - 2.1, last college season - 2.1
Jaylen Brown - 2.1
To be fair, I am nitpicking a little too much...does it really matter if he's just barely lower? Probably not. But it's still on the low side. If Castle receives a vote for an all defense team, he would be the third lowest stocks guy to do so in the last 10+ years. If you looked at the top 100 in DEF EPM for PG/SG/SF....he would be like bottom 5%. It's not enough for me to say he won't be a good defender, but it is enough for me to be skeptical that he will be one of the very best in the league.
If I were to compare him as a prospect to Anthony Black, for example, I would have more confidence in Black as a defender. Black was not nearly as good at 1on1 perimeter defense, but I'd have more confidence in him to add more value to defense at the next level.
I'm of the belief that those indicators interesting guiding points, but at the end of the day it's only a problem if it is a problem. Meaning... when you watch him play defense, do you see him lacking in that department? Does it look like he lacks the length or athleticism or timing or effort or defensive IQ to make plays? And if it doesn't look like he's lacking in those areas, is it really a problem? Can it be partially due to defensive assignments and in general playing in a more conservative system that relies on him to not gamble?
Not sure why espn thinks I want to watch Alex Sarr yalk
Andre Jackson Jr was one of the best defensive rookies and his stocks were bad in college and the NBA.
Unfortunately Flowers really can't create his own shot. Not much handle or creation feel.
Djurisic is looking great this game
Djurisic is looking great this game