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fishonjazz said:
I agree with you. Just saying that there is another way to look at it that has some validity.

Like I would rather be rich than poor without a doubt. But sometimes mo money mo problems and poor people are sometimes happier than rich people.

Sometimes momentum and confidence can be better than rest. Not usually but sometimes

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Those poor people would be happier if they had money.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Those poor people would be happier if they had money.
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You would think. I would think. But sometimes a poor person wins the lottery and their happiness declines. Like that literally happens. It's not a theory.

And teams that are rested sometimes do play worse than they normally do and teams that have momentum and confidence don't get hurt by the lack of rest. Again, this isn't a theory. It's actually happened before. Doesn't happen the majority of the time, but sometimes it does happen.

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fishonjazz said:
You would think. I would think. But sometimes a poor person wins the lottery and their happiness declines. Like that literally happens. It's not a theory.

And teams that are rested sometimes do play worse than they normally do and teams that have momentum and confidence don't get hurt by the lack of rest. Again, this isn't a theory. It's actually happened before. Doesn't happen the majority of the time, but sometimes it does happen.

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You're probably citing some study that has questionable methodology.

Rest is always better. A team can play bad, but it isn't because they are too rested or rusty.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
You're probably citing some study that has questionable methodology.

Rest is always better. A team can play bad, but it isn't because they are too rested or rusty.
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Players and coaches talk about confidence, momentum, and rust quite regularly. They seem to believe that these are real things that have real effects. As someone who played a lot of competitive basketball I have seen/felt these things myself and know they are real. Rest is also real and has a real affect that imo trumps confidence and momentum most of the time. But not all of the time. Also, these games aren't back to back to back. So there is an opportunity for these play in teams to come into the playoffs having momentum, confidence, no rust, AND be rested and healthy. Again, that wouldn't be the norm but simply something that happens occasionally and could be beneficial.

Again this convo is kind of irrelevant because by far the biggest advantage is simply being the much better team (which 1 seeds almost always are) and 8 seeds are quite unlikely to beat 1 seeds regardless of a play in tourney. The play in tourney is doing what it was intended to do. Be fun and entertaining. That is what matters.
 
I was just looking at schedules and I see the lakers played against the pelicans on tuesday april 16th. They dont play again until the 20th. They were a play in team and it seems like they have a decent amount of time off to rest.

Kings and pelicans got a couple days off before their games tonight.

Im not seeing any back to back games for any of the play in teams regardless of how the tournament goes. These guys are used to playing every other day. I dont think its a big deal. Losing zion or someone in these tourney games is the real big disadvantage but he could get hurt in game 1 of a playoff series too i guess.
 
KqWIN said:
I've go no problem with giving the top seeds more of an advantage. I say give them even more of an advantage by letting them pick their opponents every round. Have to incentivize winning in the regular season.
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I like it

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KqWIN said:
I've go no problem with giving the top seeds more of an advantage. I say give them even more of an advantage by letting them pick their opponents every round. Have to incentivize winning in the regular season.
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100% if they want people to take the regular season as serious as possible you give as many advantages as you can to those that earned it in the 82 game grind.
 
fishonjazz said:
I'm glad to hear that we might not have to get a new arena

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They may build a new arena and make that part of some major real estate development, but that would be a multi-year project. Delta Center makes sense to get the franchise started.
 
Kings gotta make some decissions as to how they move forward. They dont look or feel like a contender and their 2 best players may both be 2nd banana level.

For the prospect of them paying a high price for Lauri, a 2nd round exit would have been better than a play in exit.

I think its possible that they will be starchasing as well.
 
framer said:
What if the plan is to put hockey in the Delta Center and move the Jazz to a new arena?
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Then I wouldn't like that. Unless I dont have to pay for it

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HermanG said:
Kings gotta make some decissions as to how they move forward. They dont look or feel like a contender and their 2 best players may both be 2nd banana level.

For the prospect of them paying a high price for Lauri, a 2nd round exit would have been better than a play in exit.

I think its possible that they will be starchasing as well.
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Bold. NBA team has to make decisions in the future.

I don't think the Kings will feel that much pressure. Then doing this well is still a overall accomplishment
 
HermanG said:
Kings gotta make some decissions as to how they move forward. They dont look or feel like a contender and their 2 best players may both be 2nd banana level.

For the prospect of them paying a high price for Lauri, a 2nd round exit would have been better than a play in exit.

I think its possible that they will be starchasing as well.
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It was surprising to me how rough they looked against the Pels. Sometimes in sports there is just that one team you just can’t beat, but they’re issues appear deeper than just that. They need a rim protector or a more athletic PF to play with DS sorely I think…. and a better bench. Just not sure how another big messes with sabonis spacing, probably screws their PnR with him.

Keegan Murray and his lack of lateral movement and defensive intensity is interesting. Davion Mitchell is an example of college talent not translating without adequate size. He couldn’t even guard Jose Alvarado and was supposed to be lockdown. Barnes, lyles, veshenkov, all not good enough or undersized. Also the Kings guards were not able to penetrate and draw enough help to throw pels defense off their shooters making their deficiencies even more apparent.

I like the Kings. Sabonis was awesome for the Zags. Their injuries definitively hurt them this season. I still think they are missing championship caliber pieces and defensive pieces. Interested to see where they go from here.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Bold. NBA team has to make decisions in the future.

I don't think the Kings will feel that much pressure. Then doing this well is still a overall accomplishment
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Back to being a douche I see. I wonder how I hurt your feelings this time..

Also missing out on playoffs when your 2 best players missed just 8 games combined isnt an accomplishment.
 
HermanG said:
Back to being a douche I see. I wonder how I hurt your feelings this time..

Also missing out on playoffs when your 2 best players missed just 8 games combined isnt an accomplishment.
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It is when your a franchise you had a billion losing seasons in a row
 
HermanG said:
Back to being a douche I see. I wonder how I hurt your feelings this time..

Also missing out on playoffs when your 2 best players missed just 8 games combined isnt an accomplishment.
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Ya I think they underachieved.

Thought for sure they would beat the pelicans without Zion. I wanted them to win as well since I think the pelicans without Zion will get destroyed by OKC but I felt the kings offensive firepower could make the series fun and interesting.

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