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Knicks built themselves a perfect roster for Donovan. All the hustle, rebounding and defense now just needs a star creator/shot maker to take them to the next level. Mitchell to the Knicks will also help us with all these Cavs picks coming our way.
 
Lakers get the perfect shooting disparity game, and still lost.

Their depth and quality behind Lebron and AD is just so much worse than what the Nuggets have behind Joker and Murray.
 
HermanG said:
Lakers get the perfect shooting disparity game, and still lost.

Their depth and quality behind Lebron and AD is just so much worse than what the Nuggets have behind Joker and Murray.
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Kind of agree. I dont think the Nuggets have that great of depth either, it's more they just have a perfectly formed roster.
 
jom2003 said:
Knicks built themselves a perfect roster for Donovan. All the hustle, rebounding and defense now just needs a star creator/shot maker to take them to the next level. Mitchell to the Knicks will also help us with all these Cavs picks coming our way.
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Do they want Donovan anymore? I would think they would be most interested in a big man to replace Randle.

I'm sure they would take him on a deal, but I'm not sure they are going to meet anyone's demands for his price.
 
jom2003 said:
Knicks built themselves a perfect roster for Donovan. All the hustle, rebounding and defense now just needs a star creator/shot maker to take them to the next level. Mitchell to the Knicks will also help us with all these Cavs picks coming our way.
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Have you not heard of a guy named Jalen Brunson. He is every bit as good as Mitchell.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Do they want Donovan anymore? I would think they would be most interested in a big man to replace Randle.

I'm sure they would take him on a deal, but I'm not sure they are going to meet anyone's demands for his price.
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Yes. Sixers locked Brunson down pretty good last night and they can use another shot creator like Mitchell. They've now gotten themselves enough defensive pieces to allow two shot creators on the floor.
 
jom2003 said:
Yes. Sixers locked Brunson down pretty good last night and they can use another shot creator like Mitchell. They've now gotten themselves enough defensive pieces to allow two shot creators on the floor.
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No. Dont matter how much defense you have around them, if you got two 6-2 guards you cannot hide them both. Those good defenders wont see much action when teams keep attacking those two as mismatches. You also cannot bench a guy of their stature, so there is always a major overlap in minutes with them.

Also it makes a whole lot more sense to add creation to your frontcourt. Thats why they are currently chasing Giannis and Embiid, and as long as there is a cloud over those two Knicks wont deplete their war chest for someone like Mitchell.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
@Saint Cy of JFC please tell me how Flip and Ihart are similar.
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I think it's a possible outcome. The thing I like most about Flip is that I think he has a lot of different avenues to being a good player. I could see him developing into a Hartenstein-esque player. The passing instincts and toughness are similar. Hartenstein is *probably* an inch or two longer and maybe an inch taller, but very similarly sized overall. I think Flip is a better overall athlete with better perimeter defensive ability.

That being said, Hartenstein has developed into a really good defensive player. I would be surprised if Filipowski gets to that level, but the fact that Hartenstein has can give you a bit of hope for Flip.
 
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As far as trends this playoffs...The first thing that jumps out at me is the overall talent on each team. There is so much talent and parity in the league today, it's great. The second thing is that there have been so many low scoring games. I think the shooting has been extra bad and that will level out, but I also think coaches are leaning on their defensive minded players more and the teams are way more prepared with a gameplan on how to defend. The difference between RS basketball and PO basketball continues to grow.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I think it's a possible outcome. The thing I like most about Flip is that I think he has a lot of different avenues to being a good player. I could see him developing into a Hartenstein-esque player. The passing instincts and toughness are similar. Hartenstein is *probably* an inch or two longer and maybe an inch taller, but very similarly sized overall. I think Flip is a better overall athlete with better perimeter defensive ability.

That being said, Hartenstein has developed into a really good defensive player. I would be surprised if Filipowski gets to that level, but the fact that Hartenstein has can give you a bit of hope for Flip.
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Hartenstein is a physical monster who is taller and a few inches longer than Flip. The calling card is what he’s doing on defense and he does enough things on offense to not hurt you. Flip will be the mirror image of that if he makes it. He will hopefully be a better more diverse offensive player that does enough on defense to survive. We’ve heard the KO Flip comps and I’m just not sure if you are comparing Flip to KO that you should also be noting Hartenstein as a comp too. This is not a knock on Flip per se I just think that comp is completely silly.

Flip got dump tricked by a 5-8 engineering student rushing the floor. Hartenstein would eat that kid whole. Mentality wise I don’t think they are the same at all. (This is all sarcasm for the lols so don’t get butthurt).

Side note - I remember the first time I saw Hart at summer league I immediately thought all 9 players hated him on the floor. His teammates and opponents. He was out there to absolutely bang dudes and be annoying.
 
KqWIN said:
As far as trends this playoffs...The first thing that jumps out at me is the overall talent on each team. There is so much talent and parity in the league today, it's great. The second thing is that there have been so many low scoring games. I think the shooting has been extra bad and that will level out, but I also think coaches are leaning on their defensive minded players more and the teams are way more prepared with a gameplan on how to defend. The difference between RS basketball and PO basketball continues to grow.
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Between the shift in officiating in season and the shift again in postseason the offenses struggling is not surprising. It is like 5 times more physical and refs are rarely calling the flopping they got so easily tricked on the past few years. The low scoring isn’t a surprise to me based on how the game is being officiated.

What sucks is you can’t bank on them being consistent with this and it makes a meaningful difference in how you shape your roster. If you told me this is what the league will be like I’d say get a bunch of rugged defenders that can shoot a bit and get in the mud. But then they will decide they want freedom of movement and start falling for all the foul baiting. I prefer the shot making and allowing guys to defend but enough low scoring and they will change their mind.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Between the shift in officiating in season and the shift again in postseason the offenses struggling is not surprising. It is like 5 times more physical and refs are rarely calling the flopping they got so easily tricked on the past few years. The low scoring isn’t a surprise to me based on how the game is being officiated.

What sucks is you can’t bank on them being consistent with this and it makes a meaningful difference in how you shape your roster. If you told me this is what the league will be like I’d say get a bunch of rugged defenders that can shoot a bit and get in the mud. But then they will decide they want freedom of movement and start falling for all the foul baiting. I prefer the shot making and allowing guys to defend but enough low scoring and they will change their mind.
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It's more physical.....the officiating I see it both ways. Sometimes it feels like they let more go, other times I feel like they are calling just as much soft stuff. I see the biggest change being the improved schemes. I just don't think it's possible to gameplan well during an 82 season and/or it's not worth it.
 
KqWIN said:
It's more physical.....the officiating I see it both ways. Sometimes it feels like they let more go, other times I feel like they are calling just as much soft stuff. I see the biggest change being the improved schemes. I just don't think it's possible to gameplan well during an 82 season and/or it's not worth it.
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I think the perimeter guys in particular are getting away with so much more. Its subjective but these dudes would have fouled out in the first half during the Harden MVP era.
 
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