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    Quote Originally Posted by NUMBERICA View Post
    Can we stop with this? He's been doing it since before he met Al.
    Glad someone else said this. I was going to refrain for obvious reasons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NUMBERICA View Post
    Can we stop with this? He's been doing it since before he met Al.
    It's ridiculous to think he hasn't learned a ton from Al. He barely ever tried that move early in the season. Now it's practically his go to move.

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    Quote Originally Posted by billyshelby View Post
    It's ridiculous to think he hasn't learned a ton from Al. He barely ever tried that move early in the season. Now it's practically his go to move.
    And it's the same move. I'm not saying he hasn't learned anything from Al, but I disagree with this apparent narrative that Al is making Kanter into this new player. Favors maybe, but not Kanter.
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    Hell, if we want to make an anecdote about Kanter's tutelage under Al, you could say he's gotten worse. I wouldn't really promote that, but I don't see how the kid has improved down the stretch as much as that pains me to say.
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    I think he can play SF

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    Quote Originally Posted by NUMBERICA View Post
    And it's the same move. I'm not saying he hasn't learned anything from Al, but I disagree with this apparent narrative that Al is making Kanter into this new player. Favors maybe, but not Kanter.
    No player is totally responsible for another player's development. But it's more than a coincidence that Kanter is suddenly showing great confidence in the up and under which is Al's signature move. If you asked Kanter, I'm sure he'd tell you he's learning a ton from Al about footwork and how to get his shot off.

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    Big Al's go to move is the hook shot, his counter is the up and under when defenders get anxious to challenge his shot. Kanter has the counter, but doesn't have the main shot to make defenders guess which one he is doing.

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    Kanter was making that move before he met AL. I am sure AL has helped him in many ways but some players already have talent before they get to the Jazz. I know that is hard to believe for some people. If Al taught him the move then he taught him wrong because Kanter still gets lose under the basket when he spins. Now I think about it so does AJ sometimes. AJ should teach Kanter the Jump shot or push shot because Kanter needs more than the up and under move.

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    agreed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrone Torbin View Post
    Big Al's go to move is the hook shot, his counter is the up and under when defenders get anxious to challenge his shot. Kanter has the counter, but doesn't have the main shot to make defenders guess which one he is doing.
    I agree with Cy here. Kanter did a nice hook against Bynum at the beginning of the game against the Lakers. This shot allowed him to use his up-and-under very well because Bynum didn't know if the hook was coming. He needs to focus on the middle like these guys are saying and be able to read the defense and either pass or go into a balance shot. He could be very good at this. If he also does what Chuck said and doesn't go to low, then he should be a very effective post player. He uses his body very well. He also needs to pick up the speed and stop being indecisive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrone Torbin View Post
    Big Al had a really nice post spin on Duncan. I wish he was able to do moves like that more often rather than the hook shot.
    I wish he could shoot the 'hook shot' and not the 'push shot'.
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    kanter should take post-up lessons from hakeem, ball handling lessons from stockton or smth, and he also should learn to look out and around when he posts up. the whole league has learned his weakness and steals from him nearly every single game when he posts up. he's really inexperienced. what we talked about him was only the potential. now we have seen that he can improve. and this improvement has been on the least likely part: his defense. I was angry with tyrone corbin at first for disabling his mid-range shots, but now, at the end of the season, he became a nice defender and switcher. but he needs to gain speed to catch the cuts. anyway, if he can level up in a skill that he obviously hated to play (defense), he can get a lot better in time. as for favors, he's one of the best in the league, and if he's not in your view, then he's gonna be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hotttnickkk View Post
    I wish he could shoot the 'hook shot' and not the 'push shot'.

    Here's my problem with Big Al's jumphook/push shot. It's not the shot itself, it's the location and balance from which he releases it. Whether it's a hook or push shot - the similarity between the two is you need to be in the proper rhythm and location. When Al moves towards the middle of the lane from the left block - he's very accurate. The inaccuracy occurs when he settles, takes a stationary dribble and launches the "push shot" from his originial location. This type of shot is predominantly used while moving left-to-right, either slightly (such as on the right block where you spin baseline) or more forcefully (from the left block moving through the lane). If you remain stationary, you lose accuracy because you not only lack the natural momentum you're accustomed to while shooting a jump hook, you have to release it quicker (you'll notice Al has a very nice follow-through on his push shot in the lane, but often flat-palms it when shooting off the left-block) because it's easier for the defender to challenge it when you're not on the move.

    Key for Al is to work Duncan on the block and get to the middle of the lane instead of settling. The counter is alot of teams overplay him on his left-shoulder and force him to spin baseline, but Al needs to increase the angle of his drop-step so on the spin he's moving toward the basket instead of away from it.

    Also Devin Harris and the perimeter Jazz players need to do a better job when teams double from the top. Instead of launching the quick 3, do a quick repost and get it back to Al immediately (because he not only has deep position from his initial move, but the defense is in the midst of their recovery so he'll have more time to operate before help arrives).
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