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    I don't think it is much of an exaggeration to call our PG situation desperate. That, and given MCW's ability to slide to SG, I wouldn't mind at all if we went after both MCW and Burke.

    What say y'all?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NAOS View Post
    I don't think it is much of an exaggeration to call our PG situation desperate. That, and given MCW's ability to slide to SG, I wouldn't mind at all if we went after both MCW and Burke.

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    Dumb. Have you looked at MCW's shooting numbers? And our clutter of wings?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gyp Rosetti View Post
    Dumb. Have you looked at MCW's shooting numbers? And our clutter of wings?
    Have you actually considered who is under contract after this year?

    The clutter thins. Quickly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gyp Rosetti View Post
    Dumb. Have you looked at MCW's shooting numbers? And our clutter of wings?
    Quote Originally Posted by NAOS View Post
    Have you actually considered who is under contract after this year?

    The clutter thins. Quickly.
    I think these are both fair points.
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    So I was very mad about the game, but I wasn't going to vent here, because you guys all feel the same way. However, Ty's postgame interview got my blood boiling. On why he let Trey and Gordon play while having bad games, "You gotta let them battle through it because that's what you gotta do." Really are you kidding me. You have to balls to say that when you pulled Alec after 16 minutes against LAC and Kanter got 19 minutes toinght?

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    I definitely only like MCW at PG. He'd be taken way too high if he was played at SG. If I knew I could get Burke, I'd take someone else. (and vice versa)
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    Quote Originally Posted by orangello View Post
    I think these are both fair points.
    Yes, except even without the clutter, playing him at the 2 makes no sense given his awful shooting numbers--37.2%/20.5%. That makes Kendall Marshall look like Steve Kerr and we want to consider playing this kid at the 2? Dumb. It shouldn't even be in the discussion.

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    I wouldn't draft both with the notion that MCW would play significant minutes at SG. The method is simple:

    1. Not all players pan out
    2. we have zero PGs under contract at year's end, and therefore we need two.
    3. Hopefully one guy deserves to be a starting pg. Remember... desperation.
    4. If both players are legit, then minutes with both on the floor is possible. In fact, given the dearth of playmaking, perhaps this would be awesome.


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    Only problem, NAOS, is that it's quite possible that neither turn into a legit starter. Maybe I just haven't quite grasped the gravity of building a team in Utah, but it still seems to me that we should be able to build 80% of our team through the draft (Kanter, Burks, Hayward), trades that have already been done (Favors), and make a major move to fix the last 20% through FA.

    I realize it may very well be an overly romanticized notion, but taking a couple more very nice pieces in the draft, the ridding of some contracts, and going after Rondo as a near-max and contender would be my dream strat.
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    Here is a good article about Nate Wolters of SDSU. I know PKM hates him but here it is anyways.

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...f=twitter_feed
    Quote Originally Posted by Biggs View Post
    So I was very mad about the game, but I wasn't going to vent here, because you guys all feel the same way. However, Ty's postgame interview got my blood boiling. On why he let Trey and Gordon play while having bad games, "You gotta let them battle through it because that's what you gotta do." Really are you kidding me. You have to balls to say that when you pulled Alec after 16 minutes against LAC and Kanter got 19 minutes toinght?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NAOS View Post
    I wouldn't draft both with the notion that MCW would play significant minutes at SG. The method is simple:

    1. Not all players pan out
    2. we have zero PGs under contract at year's end, and therefore we need two.
    3. Hopefully one guy deserves to be a starting pg. Remember... desperation.
    4. If both players are legit, then minutes with both on the floor is possible. In fact, given the dearth of playmaking, perhaps this would be awesome.


    Waiting for Gyp's dumb comment about dumbness...
    I am going to steer clear here of arguing because it's a new year and I'm going to try to be a better person. I simply feel that drafting both makes absolutely no sense as a) MCW can not and should not ever play the 2 based on his numbers which is why all of this started...b) Having two rookie 1st round points could cause contention...c) we need a vet (or two) at point like we have now unless we want to run two rookie points out there for 48 minutes a night and have no one to mentor (i'd draft burke and re-sign tinsley and possibly watson if he doesn't mind not playing)...d) it's a waste of a pick...basically you're hoping one of two pans out like it's throwing darts...this is basically what you're doing with your numbers 1-3 and it's not a bright move at all imo...we need to draft a pg (i think burke the more i read) and the best available, not two point guards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PKM View Post
    Only problem, NAOS, is that it's quite possible that neither turn into a legit starter. Maybe I just haven't quite grasped the gravity of building a team in Utah, but it still seems to me that we should be able to build 80% of our team through the draft (Kanter, Burks, Hayward), trades that have already been done (Favors), and make a major move to fix the last 20% through FA.

    I realize it may very well be an overly romanticized notion, but taking a couple more very nice pieces in the draft, the ridding of some contracts, and going after Rondo as a near-max and contender would be my dream strat.
    This is absolutely fair.

    I realize my scenario is desperate and conservative. We need to fix this position soon and thoroughly. And, yeah, I'm not holding my breath on FAs, especially of Rondo's ilk.
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    Here are my favorite parts of the article:

    Not better, I said. Different. Doesn't have Jimmer Range, or anything resembling Jimmer's jumper, but does a better job creating for others, figuring out ways to score from mid-range, and not turning the ball over. He's an actual point guard, too. Whether you like traditional stats -- 21.2 points, 5.9 assists, 5.1 rebounds as a junior while leading SDSU to its first NCAA tournament bid -- or advanced stats -- a 115.5 offensive rating while using a whopping 32.5 percent of his team's possessions -- Wolters looks quite good.
    And

    Shaquille Davis, a 19-year-old from Hempstead, was an actual Natehead. He showed up specifically to see Wolters. "Two years ago, my friend told me about him, but I didn't pay attention because I'm like, 'South Dakota State, where the hell is that?'" Davis said. "But then I saw his game against Washington last year -- he had 34 [points], he destroyed Terrence Ross and Tony Wroten, so I'm like, 'I have to pay more attention to this kid.' This was my chance to see him."
    Enjoy
    Quote Originally Posted by Biggs View Post
    So I was very mad about the game, but I wasn't going to vent here, because you guys all feel the same way. However, Ty's postgame interview got my blood boiling. On why he let Trey and Gordon play while having bad games, "You gotta let them battle through it because that's what you gotta do." Really are you kidding me. You have to balls to say that when you pulled Alec after 16 minutes against LAC and Kanter got 19 minutes toinght?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NAOS View Post
    This is absolutely fair.

    I realize my scenario is desperate and conservative. We need to fix this position soon and thoroughly. And, yeah, I'm not holding my breath on FAs, especially of Rondo's ilk.
    It's okay to lie to me and give me hope.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PKM View Post
    It's okay to lie to me and give me hope.
    We are going to get Rondo for Jefferson at the trade deadline.
    Quote Originally Posted by Biggs View Post
    So I was very mad about the game, but I wasn't going to vent here, because you guys all feel the same way. However, Ty's postgame interview got my blood boiling. On why he let Trey and Gordon play while having bad games, "You gotta let them battle through it because that's what you gotta do." Really are you kidding me. You have to balls to say that when you pulled Alec after 16 minutes against LAC and Kanter got 19 minutes toinght?

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    Quote Originally Posted by orangello View Post
    Here are my favorite parts of the article:



    And



    Enjoy
    It's only funny because Ross and Wroten that I HATED all throughout the 2012 draft thread.
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