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    Quote Originally Posted by PKM View Post
    Calipari is pushing a baseball-like rule. Straight out or 3 years..

    I hate straight to the NBA, myself (hear me out). I've been in the gyms when it was straight out of HS and I've been there when it was one and done. The amount of sleaziness going on with the NBA in HS gyms was terrible. It's bad enough as it is with the show companies, AAU teams, etc .. but throw in the NBA scouts, NBA 'runners' and it gets 10x worse and much more distracting for very young kids.
    I didn't think of that.
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    So I was very mad about the game, but I wasn't going to vent here, because you guys all feel the same way. However, Ty's postgame interview got my blood boiling. On why he let Trey and Gordon play while having bad games, "You gotta let them battle through it because that's what you gotta do." Really are you kidding me. You have to balls to say that when you pulled Alec after 16 minutes against LAC and Kanter got 19 minutes toinght?

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    Quote Originally Posted by orangello View Post
    I didn't think of that.
    To be clear, it's not the GMs, coaches, assistants, or even scouts .. it's the agents and the people they (for example) 'hire' to get to the kids and get in their ears about signing with a firm. I wasn't calling the NBA personnel sleazy. They were always all class. It was the guys showing up at recess (no kidding) and at the Burger King parking lots on Friday nights. That doesn't happen at the college level .. but agents are the worst. Well .. and the show companies.
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    To add to this .. the colleges have a great system of insulation, great compliance departments, they educate the players what to watch for/watch out for .. the kids have a great support system. HS's have NONE of that and kids are lied to, hyped up, and too often ruined or ruin their chances..
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    Quote Originally Posted by PKM View Post
    To be clear, it's not the GMs, coaches, assistants, or even scouts .. it's the agents and the people they (for example) 'hire' to get to the kids and get in their ears about signing with a firm. I wasn't calling the NBA personnel sleazy. They were always all class. It was the guys showing up at recess (no kidding) and at the Burger King parking lots on Friday nights. That doesn't happen at the college level .. but agents are the worst. Well .. and the show companies.
    I knew you meant the agents and their runner. What I'm confused about is this "show" company you keep talking about. Can you elaborate because this is the second time you have mentioned them.
    Quote Originally Posted by Biggs View Post
    So I was very mad about the game, but I wasn't going to vent here, because you guys all feel the same way. However, Ty's postgame interview got my blood boiling. On why he let Trey and Gordon play while having bad games, "You gotta let them battle through it because that's what you gotta do." Really are you kidding me. You have to balls to say that when you pulled Alec after 16 minutes against LAC and Kanter got 19 minutes toinght?

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    Quote Originally Posted by orangello View Post
    I knew you meant the agents and their runner. What I'm confused about is this "show" company you keep talking about. Can you elaborate because this is the second time you have mentioned them.
    The damn 'W' and 'E' is too close to one another on my keyboard. Weird that I did that twice in a roe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PKM View Post
    The damn 'W' and 'E' is too close to one another on my keyboard. Weird that I did that twice in a roe.
    Classy!
    Quote Originally Posted by Biggs View Post
    So I was very mad about the game, but I wasn't going to vent here, because you guys all feel the same way. However, Ty's postgame interview got my blood boiling. On why he let Trey and Gordon play while having bad games, "You gotta let them battle through it because that's what you gotta do." Really are you kidding me. You have to balls to say that when you pulled Alec after 16 minutes against LAC and Kanter got 19 minutes toinght?

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    Just making sure you saw post #2013, orangello. No need to reply, just making sure you got all my reasoning..
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    Quote Originally Posted by PKM View Post
    Just making sure you saw post #2013, orangello. No need to reply, just making sure you got all my reasoning..
    It makes total sense.

    The thing that bothers me are players like Wiggins (who is an extreme example) and others like Bazz. They seem to already have enough talent to be in the league so why make them wait?

    Again, I understand the crap that you allow at the HS level if you do that. I just wanted to get my opinion out there.
    Quote Originally Posted by Biggs View Post
    So I was very mad about the game, but I wasn't going to vent here, because you guys all feel the same way. However, Ty's postgame interview got my blood boiling. On why he let Trey and Gordon play while having bad games, "You gotta let them battle through it because that's what you gotta do." Really are you kidding me. You have to balls to say that when you pulled Alec after 16 minutes against LAC and Kanter got 19 minutes toinght?

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    Quote Originally Posted by orangello View Post
    It makes total sense.

    The thing that bothers me are players like Wiggins (who is an extreme example) and others like Bazz. They seem to already have enough talent to be in the league so why make them wait?

    Again, I understand the crap that you allow at the HS level if you do that. I just wanted to get my opinion out there.
    I understand. It's perplexing, but I think it's better than the wholesale alternative. I also think of it like this analogy.

    There are very bright HS students that would make a brilliant engineer, but lack the maturity and training to immediately be worth hiring by an engineering firm. It's not all bad that these kids go to school for a year, learn to play as a team (most never have), learn responsibility at a higher level, learn about the NBA 'game' (the best coaches help the kids with how to handle the finances, how to handle agents, etc), learn how to handle a brighter spot light, and gain a year of maturity .. not to mention honing their skills another year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PKM View Post
    I understand. It's perplexing, but I think it's better than the wholesale alternative. I also think of it like this analogy.

    There are very bright HS students that would make a brilliant engineer, but lack the maturity and training to immediately be worth hiring by an engineering firm. It's not all bad that these kids go to school for a year, learn to play as a team (most never have), learn responsibility at a higher level, learn about the NBA 'game' (the best coaches help the kids with how to handle the finances, how to handle agents, etc), learn how to handle a brighter spot light, and gain a year of maturity .. not to mention honing their skills another year.
    Great analogy, but you are missing the point. I am a fan of a team that is stuck in mediocrity. They won't trade all of their future assets or current players with potential for a superstar or someone close to it.

    On the other side they won't give their players with potential all of the playing time that they need to be ready to make a serious impact by year 2 or year 3 of their NBA careers. They also won't deliberately tank in order to add top talent to their roster via the draft.

    We are stuck in this ugly limbo thing and it is getting harder and harder to support.

    If players had a chance to leave out of high school the team that I am a fan of might take a risk and be able to snatch someone that is a future superstar but they are underrated because they are coming out of high school.

    I know there are a lot of holes in that theory but it is more realistic than the other scenarios that I outlined at the beginning of this rant.
    Quote Originally Posted by Biggs View Post
    So I was very mad about the game, but I wasn't going to vent here, because you guys all feel the same way. However, Ty's postgame interview got my blood boiling. On why he let Trey and Gordon play while having bad games, "You gotta let them battle through it because that's what you gotta do." Really are you kidding me. You have to balls to say that when you pulled Alec after 16 minutes against LAC and Kanter got 19 minutes toinght?

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    Quote Originally Posted by orangello View Post
    Great analogy, but you are missing the point. I am a fan of a team that is stuck in mediocrity. They won't trade all of their future assets or current players with potential for a superstar or someone close to it.

    On the other side they won't give their players with potential all of the playing time that they need to be ready to make a serious impact by year 2 or year 3 of their NBA careers. They also won't deliberately tank in order to add top talent to their roster via the draft.

    We are stuck in this ugly limbo thing and it is getting harder and harder to support.

    If players had a chance to leave out of high school the team that I am a fan of might take a risk and be able to snatch someone that is a future superstar but they are underrated because they are coming out of high school.

    I know there are a lot of holes in that theory but it is more realistic than the other scenarios that I outlined at the beginning of this rant.
    Wiggins would have gone #1 this year, straight out of HS. I do see your flawed point, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PKM View Post
    Wiggins would have gone #1 this year, straight out of HS. I do see your flawed point, though.
    Thanks. BTW, only I can call my logic flawed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Biggs View Post
    So I was very mad about the game, but I wasn't going to vent here, because you guys all feel the same way. However, Ty's postgame interview got my blood boiling. On why he let Trey and Gordon play while having bad games, "You gotta let them battle through it because that's what you gotta do." Really are you kidding me. You have to balls to say that when you pulled Alec after 16 minutes against LAC and Kanter got 19 minutes toinght?

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    Big update: CJ McCollum is out 8 to 10 weeks with a broken foot.
    Quote Originally Posted by Biggs View Post
    So I was very mad about the game, but I wasn't going to vent here, because you guys all feel the same way. However, Ty's postgame interview got my blood boiling. On why he let Trey and Gordon play while having bad games, "You gotta let them battle through it because that's what you gotta do." Really are you kidding me. You have to balls to say that when you pulled Alec after 16 minutes against LAC and Kanter got 19 minutes toinght?

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    Cry baby..
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    I'd like to see at 2 year college minimum. Just my opinion.

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