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    Quote Originally Posted by Hotttnickkk View Post
    I don't know.. I'm concerned he's a bit 1 dimensional though.

    Take Klay Thompson. He's a shooter as well. But he can also put the ball on the floor and finish at the rim. He can dunk it, he can reverse layup it. He's also athletic enough to defend. I don't know if Karasev will be able to defend the likes of LeBron & Carmelo (that's what he'll be asked to do as a SF in this league).

    I'm not 100% sold he can stay in this league. He screams Kyle Korver to me.
    And Korver is a starter on a playoff team and one of the best 3 points shooters in the NBA. Thats a pretty good guy to get out of this draft considering. Plus watching Karasev play he is a really good passer. That right there makes him more than one demential

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hotttnickkk View Post
    I don't know.. I'm concerned he's a bit 1 dimensional though.

    Take Klay Thompson. He's a shooter as well. But he can also put the ball on the floor and finish at the rim. He can dunk it, he can reverse layup it. He's also athletic enough to defend. I don't know if Karasev will be able to defend the likes of LeBron & Carmelo (that's what he'll be asked to do as a SF in this league).

    I'm not 100% sold he can stay in this league. He screams Kyle Korver to me.
    Drafting Korver at 21 would be a steal, and I think he has a better floor game then Korver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hotttnickkk View Post
    I don't know.. I'm concerned he's a bit 1 dimensional though.

    Take Klay Thompson. He's a shooter as well. But he can also put the ball on the floor and finish at the rim. He can dunk it, he can reverse layup it. He's also athletic enough to defend. I don't know if Karasev will be able to defend the likes of LeBron & Carmelo (that's what he'll be asked to do as a SF in this league).

    I'm not 100% sold he can stay in this league. He screams Kyle Korver to me.
    He is not just a shooter. He is an good passer and gets to the foul line as well. He is just 19 years old but has the experience. Defensively, his wingspan is not bad but he needs to gain strength and he probably will. He won't be lockdown defensive player but he won't be liability too. Also you can change his place with Hayward on some matchups.

    Though, I admit that saying he is NBA-ready is an exaggeration.

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    I don't know ... I'd prefer an athletic wing who can defend and a finisher at the rim, over a shooter/passer (which we already have in Hayward). Our defense is so porous right now we could really use a lengthy defender.

    So given the choice I'd go for Adetobunko over Karasev.
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    The reason I don't want Adetokunbo is he will take 2 years in Europe and at least a year on NBA to be productive. With Karasev though he comes to NBA and spends a year to get used.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BabyPeterzz View Post
    So racist....
    That's more of a cultural generalization. Has nothing to do with race.
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    Umm... Lyles. Yeah, Lyles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hekate View Post
    The reason I don't want Adetokunbo is he will take 2 years in Europe and at least a year on NBA to be productive. With Karasev though he comes to NBA and spends a year to get used.
    Yeah I do get that, but with the #21 it's "home run" time IMO..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hotttnickkk View Post
    Yeah I do get that, but with the #21 it's "home run" time IMO..
    Definitely but I would say the same for Karasev too.

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    Here's Karasev shooting 3s. I wouldn't mind him spacing the floor. He's mostly a catch-and-shoot player, so he'd basically play the role that Randy Foye and Kyle Korver did.

    Players I like in the 2015 draft:


    Umm... Lyles. Yeah, Lyles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hekate View Post
    Definitely but I would say the same for Karasev too.
    ?? You're saying Karasev has the same "ceiling" as Adetokunbo?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hotttnickkk View Post
    ?? You're saying Karasev has the same "ceiling" as Adetokunbo?
    I would just say Giannis has the better tools.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hotttnickkk View Post
    Yeah I do get that, but with the #21 it's "home run" time IMO..
    in this draft I dont want to swing for the fences. I think safe rotational players would be better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hekate View Post
    The reason I don't want Adetokunbo is he will take 2 years in Europe and at least a year on NBA to be productive. With Karasev though he comes to NBA and spends a year to get used.
    The Jazz need a (super) star, point blank. Kunbo has a better chance to be that (I'm not proclaiming that he will be), and having one less good player next year increases the chance that the Jazz are in place to add a superstar talent in '14. Win-Win.

    But I like Karasev, too. But the evidence that you need (super) stars to win a title and can continuously put yourself in that position is overwhelming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NUMBERICA View Post
    having one less good player next year increases the chance that the Jazz are in place to add a superstar talent in '14. Win-Win.
    Unless our young talent with a weak supporting cast proves to be good enough by themselves for a 7 or 8 playoff-seed (as has crossed the mind of many people, I'm sure). Then everyone will be grumbling about how we missed the opportunity to build around them with good role players. Risks all the way around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by idiot View Post
    Unless our young talent with a weak supporting cast proves to be good enough by themselves for a 7 or 8 playoff-seed (as has crossed the mind of many people, I'm sure). Then everyone will be grumbling about how we missed the opportunity to build around them with good role players. Risks all the way around.
    I don't see a star talent in Karasev or a great defender and role players aren't nearly as hard to acquire.
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