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    Salty loving the Norm Chow hiring...me hating it from the get go.

    http://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php?3...is-to-the-Utes

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaltyDawg View Post
    I'm not saying Utah should have made a BCS Bowl this year. I realize they aren't an Oregon, Stanford, or USC caliber team.

    However, Utah absolutely is an Oregon State, UCLA, Washington caliber team.
    Agree to disagree there. I think if you had a Pac12 draft based solely on talent then Utah would not be picked above OSU, UCLA, or Washington.

    You ask what changed when they joined the Pac 12? The offensive coordinator and the defensive coordinator, for starters. I think the defensive coordinator actually changed a year or so before joining. But the defense was actually worse even before joining the Pac 12, and has gotten better with time. The offense has consistently gotten worse every year.
    I'd like to see the stats to back that up please.

    I'm also not saying Utah needed to "turn around the program" in 2 years.
    But you are trying to downplay the importance of talent and you mentioned the last 2 years of recruiting like every team out there should be great after 2 years of recruiting.

    Look, it's fine if you want to blame the coaches. They are most at blame. But to claim a lack of talent hasn't been a big factor for the Utes versus the Pac12 is just haterism or something. And I get that. If I remember right you're the guy that blames Sloan for everything, too. So no surprises here.
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    I'm not one to pile on but you have to admit, Salty, that you were very high on the Utes before the reality of the Pac12 set in. So you'll have to excuse most folks if they don't buy into your opinions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gyp Rosetti View Post
    You liked the Chow hire and I never had faith in Utah in the Pac-12 like you blindly did. So yeah, I know something and you know jack.
    Don't confuse yourself. I liked the Chow hire, yes. I was skeptical of the BJ hire.
    Last edited by SaltyDawg; 11-28-2012 at 03:23 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CONAN View Post
    I'm not one to pile on but you have to admit, Salty, that you were very high on the Utes before the reality of the Pac12 set in. So you'll have to excuse most folks if they don't buy into your opinions.
    I was high on Utah going into the Pac 12, yes. And they came within a sniff of winning their division last season.

    They got worse this season. That is why I'm not buying into the whole Pac 12 talent adjustment argument. If it was just a matter of adjusting to superior talent, Utah would have sucked last season and gotten better this season, not the other way around.

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    Star is being rumored as having #1 overall pick talent... or at least Mel Kiper thinks so!

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/page/...now-2013-draft


    If the draft were tomorrow, how many guys would be in play as a No. 1 pick?

    Kiper: On my current Big Board, I see five that make sense, with the possibility of seven if we include a quarterback craze factoring in. The five guys I see with value in that range are :

    • Jarvis Jones, a brilliant, relentless pass-rusher out of Georgia;

    • Manti Te'o, the prototype middle linebacker out of Notre Dame (a very high standing for an interior linebacker, I admit);

    Star Lotulelei, the best defensive tackle in the class, who plays at Utah;

    • Luke Joeckel, the best left tackle in the class, of Texas A&M; and

    • Damontre Moore, also of Texas A&M, and a rival to Jones as the best current pass-rusher on my board.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gyp Rosetti View Post
    This is interesting considering they averaged more offensive yards and scored more points per game this year. But like I said, you know ****.
    Yeah Utah had a few games against crappy teams this year where the offense exploded (Washington State, Colorado, Northern Colorado). They didn't have that last year. They also went most of the season this year with the offense looking much worse than last year. The averages probably favor this season due to those few games against the crappy teams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaltyDawg View Post
    Yeah Yeah had a few games against crappy teams this year where the offense exploded (Washington State, Colorado, Northern Colorado). They didn't have that last year. They also went most of the season this year with the offense looking much worse than last year. The averages probably favor this season due to those few games against the crappy teams.
    True, last year's powerhouses Montana State (non-FBS) along with Colorado and Washington State who you mentioned were so much stiffer. Care to try again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gyp Rosetti View Post
    True, last year's powerhouses Montana State (non-FBS) along with Colorado and Washington State who you mentioned were so much stiffer. Care to try again?
    Yes, all 3 of those teams were better than this year's Northern Colorado (non FBS), Washington State, and Colorado. If you don't know that, then you really don't know ****. No need for me to try again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaltyDawg View Post
    Yes, all 3 of those teams were better than this year's Northern Colorado (non FBS), Washington State, and Colorado. If you don't know that, then you really don't know ****. No need for me to try again.
    Bwahahahahahaha...okay Salty. Colorado (3-10) and Washington State (4-8) were great last year...a tiny bit better yes, but still crappy while UCLA and Oregon State were a million times ****tier and have improved a ton.

    You're a ****ing joke, the Utes suck and you would have lost your FSU/Utah bet if you weren't such a bitch about it. Now go fight Conan.

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    By the way, I sent that from my laptop you tool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gyp Rosetti View Post
    Bwahahahahahaha...okay Salty. Colorado (3-10) and Washington State (4-8) were great last year...a tiny bit better yes, but still crappy as all while UCLA and Oregon State were a million times ****tier and have improved a ton.

    You're a ****ing joke, the Utes suck and you would have lost your FSU/Utah bet if you weren't such a bitch about it. Now go fight Conan.
    Last year Montana State was probably the best FBS team. If they weren't the best, they were at least in the discussion. MUCH better than this year's Northern Colorado.

    Last year Colorado BEAT Utah. Even though they sucked, they were clearly better than this year's Colorado team. Incidentally, Colorado just set school futility records for not winning a single home game and only winning 1 game overall. Clearly, they were much worse than last season.

    In fact, the only game they won this year was at Washington State. That's how bad Washington State was this year. Clearly, they were much worse than they were last year.

    UCLA won the division last year. Not sure they were all that much better this year. They just played crappier teams this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CONAN View Post
    Agree to disagree there. I think if you had a Pac12 draft based solely on talent then Utah would not be picked above OSU, UCLA, or Washington.


    I'd like to see the stats to back that up please.


    But you are trying to downplay the importance of talent and you mentioned the last 2 years of recruiting like every team out there should be great after 2 years of recruiting.

    Look, it's fine if you want to blame the coaches. They are most at blame. But to claim a lack of talent hasn't been a big factor for the Utes versus the Pac12 is just haterism or something. And I get that. If I remember right you're the guy that blames Sloan for everything, too. So no surprises here.
    Washington and UCLA are far superior based on pure talent, they have quite a few top 100 recruits on both those squads, for some reason they always underperforn though. Utah is probably on par with OSU at best just based on pure talent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gyp Rosetti View Post
    By the way, I sent that from my laptop you tool.
    Good for you. Next you can brag about your 13" black and white tv.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kennykyle View Post
    Washington and UCLA are far superior based on pure talent, they have quite a few top 100 recruits on both those squads, for some reason they always underperforn though. Utah is probably on par with OSU at best just based on pure talent.
    So Utah, who isn't going to a bowl game, is on par with the team currently tanned #15 in the BCS rankings. Talent is not the big issue it's been made out to be.

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