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    Quote Originally Posted by kennykyle View Post
    Both sides are morons. Left and Right wing nuts.
    So now you're finally admitting that Democrats and Republicans are exactly the same?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scat View Post
    I called it in another thread but I'll put it here too. The popular vote will be close but Romney goes over 300 in the electoral college.
    Put me down for this as well. Smart money is on a Romney blowout.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zombie View Post
    In my experience as a clerk in a photo center with touch screen kiosks I have encountered countless people who are baffled by touch screens. It never ceased to amaze me how many people could screw up something as simple as touching the screen to select what you want.
    So there you have it - Romney voters are just stupid.

    But seriously, typical Fox article - the one person who bothers to notify Fox News of a voting problem is from Ohio and Fox News goes right to the person in charge: The Secretary of State.......of Nevada???

    I guess it doesn't have anything to do with the fact that the The SoS of Nevada is Democrat (which they somehow thought pertinent to mention in the article) and the SoS of Ohio (who for some reason is not mentioned at all) is Republican? Maybe the Repulican SoS of Ohio wouldn't make himself available for Fox...Wait, what.........


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    Quote Originally Posted by Scat View Post
    I called it in another thread but I'll put it here too. The popular vote will be close but Romney goes over 300 in the electoral college.
    Quote Originally Posted by Duck Rodgers View Post
    Put me down for this as well. Smart money is on a Romney blowout.
    Clearly.

    Lol, had to say it.

    Well I can't imagine Romney winning this thing, especially in a blowout. I guess we'll have to see who was in fantasy land and who wasn't in a few days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaltyDawg View Post
    Clearly.

    Lol, had to say it.

    Well I can't imagine Romney winning this thing, especially in a blowout. I guess we'll have to see who was in fantasy land and who wasn't in a few days.
    Nutcakes at this time 4 years ago were still talking about how McCain would make a good Pres and how much of a good choice Palin was. I think it's obvious that this election is over. Mitty still has yet to explain his $5 trillion dollar tax cut and is ducking questions regarding FEMA. Nice job
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Thriller View Post
    Mitty still has yet to explain his $5 trillion dollar tax cut and is ducking questions regarding FEMA. Nice job
    What are you talking about? He loves FEMA now.

    http://www.boston.com/politicalintel...YzM/story.html

    I believe that FEMA plays a key role in working with states and localities to prepare for and respond to natural disasters,” Romney said in a statement. “As president, I will ensure FEMA has the funding it needs to fulfill its mission
    What a joke. And the funniest part of all is he is exactly the person the right portraryed John Kerry to be 8 years ago. This jack hole can't get out of my face soon enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Thriller View Post
    Nutcakes at this time 4 years ago were still talking about how McCain would make a good Pres and how much of a good choice Palin was. I think it's obvious that this election is over. Mitty still has yet to explain his $5 trillion dollar tax cut and is ducking questions regarding FEMA. Nice job
    For what it's worth I think McCain would have made a pretty good Pres. I think at heart he's a strong person with a higher degree of integrity than your average D.C. politician. I was very disappointed in him late in the campaign as I feel like he got desperate and let the GOP dictate his strategy, which obviously didn't work out anyway. I think if he had gotten elected he could have reformed the GOP in many good ways. He was so far from being Bush 2.0 but the damage Bush caused was too much to overcome.

    Oh, and I think the "right" time for McCain to get elected was 8 years earlier when Bush's dirty politics cost McCain the primary.

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    So is FEMA the only thing standing between us and TEOTWAWKI or something? I don't get why people are so up in arms over someone expressing a desire to do things differently than we do now with FEMA. It isn't an argument for doing nothing at all, it's an argument for not using FEMA to organize the doing of these things. Or at least, that would be my argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gameface View Post
    So is FEMA the only thing standing between us and TEOTWAWKI or something? I don't get why people are so up in arms over someone expressing a desire to do things differently than we do now with FEMA. It isn't an argument for doing nothing at all, it's an argument for not using FEMA to organize the doing of these things. Or at least, that would be my argument.
    I look at it this way. I'd like to think I'm a self sufficient person. Other than a couple hundred bucks when I was in college I've never gotten money directly from the government in my life. I've never been on public assistance. I've never been unemployed in my adult life. Some of it is luck but most of the credit goes to myself and my family.

    Having said that, one of few times I can think of where I'd ever want the government in my life is when the **** hits the fan like it did here in NJ last Monday. I don't care if you're the average guy or some wacko doomsday prepper, people just don't have the resources to sustain themselves for a long period of time if things around them start falling apart.

    FEMA has proven time and again, that when it's run right, it's run well. The people against it are the people who are against any type of government. And this private sector talk is ******** not to mention offensive. To introduce a profit motive into a person's suffering through no fault of their own is obscene. To me, this is why I pay my taxes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by candrew View Post
    I look at it this way. I'd like to think I'm a self sufficient person. Other than a couple hundred bucks when I was in college I've never gotten money directly from the government in my life. I've never been on public assistance. I've never been unemployed in my adult life. Some of it is luck but most of the credit goes to myself and my family.

    Having said that, one of few times I can think of where I'd ever want the government in my life is when the **** hits the fan like it did here in NJ last Monday. I don't care if you're the average guy or some wacko doomsday prepper, people just don't have the resources to sustain themselves for a long period of time if things around them start falling apart.

    FEMA has proven time and again, that when it's run right, it's run well. The people against it are the people who are against any type of government. And this private sector talk is ******** not to mention offensive. To introduce a profit motive into a person's suffering through no fault of their own is obscene. To me, this is why I pay my taxes.
    I'm an extreme libertarian and I don't apologize for it. That's doesn't mean I'm against anything government. Private sector doesn't equal commercial enterprise. All things happen as a result of some sort of motive. I certainly don't think profit motive is evil while other forms of motivation (such as power and control) are pure goodness.

    That said, I don't know enough about the way FEMA works to get into the nitty gritty of this issue. Is FEMA what's ruining this country? I'd say no, not by a long shot. Is FEMA what's keeping us from falling into third world status? I'd say no, not by a long shot.

    I don't want anyone to suffer. Ever. However, taking the approach that we all must pay any price to prevent suffering is simply naive. Life does not exist without risk, suffering and ultimately death. Easy enough to say that FEMA is a force to ease the suffering of our fellow citizens. That doesn't mean that it's the best way to do that, nor is it enough to say that FEMA is justified.

    Again, I don't have a specific beef with FEMA. I don't have an alternative. I don't think FEMA makes the top 100 list of things that need to be fixed in the federal government. I just don't get why this is even a big deal. Can the President unilaterally kill FEMA? Again, I plead ignorance, but my guess is no.

    Remember, we're talking about electing the President, not Emperor of the united states and Commander-in-Chief of the economy. As Obama has so clearly demonstrated, there are limits to what a President can do.

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