Official 2012 Presidential Election Night Thread

[BabyPeterzz]

Obama'd.

[Gameface]

Finally someone suggests some kind of change.

It's true that society has changed, however if this is true than why are we still using the same electoral college? I can't count how many times I've heard people say 'why vote, Utah is republican so what difference does it make?' In a world where we have instant access to the internet which spans the entire nation, why are we still relying on such an archaic system?

But that still isn't the answer. I can't change the mistakes of the past but I also can't deny that America is being passed up by other countries, our dollar is no longer on top, our morals are falling away and there is a movement of governmental dependence that will soon have us either becoming a socialist country or having another civil war. However, now that the military has smart bombs and tanks, a civil war won't even work, so the only answer we have is to either endure or vote in a system that is broken.

I need to clarify, and apologize to Walmart. The actual full time workers (of which Walmart tried to get rid of them all a few years ago) probably has the work ethic to make sound voting decisions. The ones I'm concerned about is the person who can't hold a part time job for more than a few months and relies on government support to survive when they don't have any specific disability. I'm not saying that these people should starve, that can't work in today's society. You want to hear something outrageous? How about this:

Anyone who is dependent on government support for housing and food forfeits their ability to vote.

Bam

What? Don't you folks believe the people who are voted in will continue to support the weak minded? Ok, I'll amend it; if they have a documented disability then they keep it. That's fair, nobody wants to hamper the disabled, but random chick who can't keep her legs shut and has tons of kids she can't take care of shouldn't be making electoral decisions for America. Or drunk guy who buys his beer with food stamps who knocks up these women shouldn't either.

Does anybody else have any suggestions? Or are you ok with feeding these people and paying for their houses with either your tax dollars or your employers tax dollars?

We should just make this really simple. Women seek security. Men seek adventure. (I'm generalizing but I doubt you'll object cctrackstar) It's women's suffrage that's to blame for all these government safety nets (don't believe me, look it up) so we can turn the clock back in one fell swoop by taking back women's right to vote. We could really get back to our roots if we also made all voters pledge their belief in a Christian God.

Sounds good, right?

[cctrackstar]

WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP GOING BACK TO EITHER WOMENS RIGHTS OR RACISM? i HAVEN'T MENTIONED ANYTHING ABOUT EITHER OF THESE THINGS!

I've been to college. Lots of women there. I've been to work constantly without fail and there are women in the office. My work place is owned and operated by a woman and she does a fine job. There is nothing wrong with women voting, and I have at no time implied this. This is my last post on this topic, because people are not 'getting it' at all.

Regardless of the past there is no problem with women and minorities in politics or the work place. There is no problem with women or minorities voting. There is a problem with people voting to cover for their personal reluctance to live an honest life rather than voting for the betterment of the strength and stability of the nation.

[Gameface]

WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP GOING BACK TO EITHER WOMENS RIGHTS OR RACISM? i HAVEN'T MENTIONED ANYTHING ABOUT EITHER OF THESE THINGS!

I've been to college. Lots of women there. I've been to work constantly without fail and there are women in the office. My work place is owned and operated by a woman and she does a fine job. There is nothing wrong with women voting, and I have at no time implied this. This is my last post on this topic, because people are not 'getting it' at all.

Regardless of the past there is no problem with women and minorities in politics or the work place. There is no problem with women or minorities voting. There is a problem with people voting to cover for their personal reluctance to live an honest life rather than voting for the betterment of the strength and stability of the nation.

I'm not saying you did, I'm offering a real solution to the problem of moral decay and liberalization of this country.

You think some citizens shouldn't be allowed to vote. I can only imagine you feel that way because you think if they couldn't the outcome of this election would have been different. Take away women's votes and Romney is our president. Boom!

[Beantown]

The Dow is now down 300 points....

[leftyjace]

The Dow is now down 300 points....

Shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.

[SaltyDawg]

WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP GOING BACK TO EITHER WOMENS RIGHTS OR RACISM? i HAVEN'T MENTIONED ANYTHING ABOUT EITHER OF THESE THINGS!

I've been to college. Lots of women there. I've been to work constantly without fail and there are women in the office. My work place is owned and operated by a woman and she does a fine job. There is nothing wrong with women voting, and I have at no time implied this. This is my last post on this topic, because people are not 'getting it' at all.

Regardless of the past there is no problem with women and minorities in politics or the work place. There is no problem with women or minorities voting. There is a problem with people voting to cover for their personal reluctance to live an honest life rather than voting for the betterment of the strength and stability of the nation.

I get it. Not racist, not sexist, but class war, right?

Look man, you are talking about the main reason Romney lost- because a kit of people felt that Romney believed the same crap you keep spouting.

If republicans are going to survive as a party, they are going to have to get past that old time Taliban style mentality.

[SaltyDawg]

The Dow is now down 300 points....

Sounds like a good day to buy.

[The Thriller]

What I find funny are all the people bitching about the electoral college.

It's not the irony that these same folks weren't complaining about it after Bush beat Gore... It's that I thought after the health care debate that the Constitution was perfect and that the FF never intended for the Constitution to be changed?

So just a few months ago, repubs were talking about how we needed to get back to the Constitution and abide by it instead of changing it to fit our needs but are now complaining about how the electoral college is outdated and needs to go.

So which is it?

Is the Constitution outdated and needs to be fluid and able to adapt to whatever are our countries' needs? Or is it set in stone and never should be changed?

[HipHopAnonymous]

Sounds like a good day to buy.

Agreed. The dow was at 8,500 when Obama took office & it's 13,000ish now? Yeah the stock market sure hates Obama.

[SaltyDawg]

What I find funny are all the people bitching about the electoral college.

It's not the irony that these same folks weren't complaining about it after Bush beat Gore... It's that I thought after the health care debate that the Constitution was perfect and that the FF never intended for the Constitution to be changed?

So just a few months ago, repubs were talking about how we needed to get back to the Constitution and abide by it instead of changing it to fit our needs but are now complaining about how the electoral college is outdated and needs to go.

So which is it?

Is the Constitution outdated and needs to be fluid and able to adapt to whatever are our countries' needs? Or is it set in stone and never should be changed?

Obama ended up winning the popular vote anyway, so their complaints are just sour grapes (although I am all for getting rid of the electoral college too).

[The Thriller]

Obama ended up winning the popular vote anyway, so their complaints are just sour grapes (although I am all for getting rid of the electoral college too).

But that would mean changing the perfect document that was never ever ever meant to be changed, the Constitution.

Remember now, repubs just a few weeks ago were chatting about how we needed to get back to the Constitution... Now the Constitution is outdated and needs to be changed?

[Gameface]

But that would mean changing the perfect document that was never ever ever meant to be changed, the Constitution.

Remember now, repubs just a few weeks ago were chatting about how we needed to get back to the Constitution... Now the Constitution is outdated and needs to be changed?

Except for the fact that the Constitution has a built-in mechanism for being changed. Instead of ignoring the Constitution we should follow the procedure for changing it.

I'm not disagreeing with you, just pointing out that changing the Constitution is in fact Constitutional.

[Brown Notes]

But that would mean changing the perfect document that was never ever ever meant to be changed, the Constitution.

Remember now, repubs just a few weeks ago were chatting about how we needed to get back to the Constitution... Now the Constitution is outdated and needs to be changed?

The Constitution has been amended 27 times. I have never understood the argument for "going back to the Constitution" when it clearly was meant to provide for adjustment.

[nightmare3983]

What I find funny are all the people bitching about the electoral college.

It's not the irony that these same folks weren't complaining about it after Bush beat Gore... It's that I thought after the health care debate that the Constitution was perfect and that the FF never intended for the Constitution to be changed?

So just a few months ago, repubs were talking about how we needed to get back to the Constitution and abide by it instead of changing it to fit our needs but are now complaining about how the electoral college is outdated and needs to go.

So which is it?

Is the Constitution outdated and needs to be fluid and able to adapt to whatever are our countries' needs? Or is it set in stone and never should be changed?

I'm one those people. I wasn't old enough to vote in 2000, and now that I am the EC just pisses me off. The potential to have someone be elected president without winning the popular vote sucks, but what sucks the most is watching candidates campaign endlessly in some select battleground states when they should care as much about Utah voters as Ohio voters.