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    Quote Originally Posted by SaltyDawg View Post
    Obama ended up winning the popular vote anyway, so their complaints are just sour grapes (although I am all for getting rid of the electoral college too).
    This is such a damn crock. This is a willfull and knowing distortion of the arguement by you and Thriller. You are both being severly dishonest here and you know it.

    It has been stated several times on here that what happened to Gore was wrong and that he should have been president.

    Obama did win the popular vote and would still have won.

    I expected that from Thriller but not you Salty.

    What bothers me, and others from the arguements I have seen and read, is that 229,000+people in Utah voted for Obama and it did not mean a damn thing. Disgraceful. Same with the 462,000+ in Nevada that voted for Romney.
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    Lets see where we will be if Obama keeps us going "forward" for the next 4 years:

    -Obama will add another 5-6 trillion to the deficit

    -Gas prices will be around $6 dollars a gallon

    -Healthcare costs will go higher than most people's Mortgage per month

    -Unemployment will be around 9%


    YES WE CAN!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by cctrackstar View Post
    WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP GOING BACK TO EITHER WOMENS RIGHTS OR RACISM? i HAVEN'T MENTIONED ANYTHING ABOUT EITHER OF THESE THINGS!
    They are among the main differences in the voting electorate between 200 years ago and now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beantown View Post
    Lets see where we will be if Obama keeps us going "forward" for the next 4 years:
    -Obama will add another 5-6 trillion to the deficit
    I agree his use of tax cuts to stimulate the economy was inefficient.

    Quote Originally Posted by Beantown View Post
    -Gas prices will be around $6 dollars a gallon

    -Unemployment will be around 9%
    Can't realistically happen at the same time. Gas prices dropped because the economy was sunk, and are rising because the economy is improving. However, I would not be surprised at $6/gallon gasoline.

    Under Obama, we went from losing 850,000 jobs a month to gaining over 150,000. Four more years of that means we'd be adding 1,150,000 jobs a month.

    Quote Originally Posted by Beantown View Post
    -Healthcare costs will go higher than most people's Mortgage per month
    OUtside of reducing payments in Medicaid, what has Obama done to increase health care costs? Certainly not Obamacare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beantown View Post
    Lets see where we will be if Obama keeps us going "forward" for the next 4 years:

    -Obama will add another 5-6 trillion to the deficit

    -Gas prices will be around $6 dollars a gallon

    -Healthcare costs will go higher than most people's Mortgage per month

    -Unemployment will be around 9%


    YES WE CAN!!!
    The sky is falling! Gloom and Doom! Oh no!

    Why don't you quit bitching about Obama and start looking at the House.
    They have just as much blame as the Senate, and President.

    You can't tell me your side is doing all they can to work with the other side.
    Enough excuses.
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    $6/gallon gas? Where are you getting that?

    From what I've read gas prices should go down. Not a lot but about 5-10% in the next year or so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoked View Post
    This is such a damn crock. This is a willfull and knowing distortion of the arguement by you and Thriller. You are both being severly dishonest here and you know it.

    It has been stated several times on here that what happened to Gore was wrong and that he should have been president.

    Obama did win the popular vote and would still have won.

    I expected that from Thriller but not you Salty.

    What bothers me, and others from the arguements I have seen and read, is that 229,000+people in Utah voted for Obama and it did not mean a damn thing. Disgraceful. Same with the 462,000+ in Nevada that voted for Romney.
    As I said, I'm all for getting rid of the electoral college.

    Perhaps you aren't aware of Trump's tirade on Twitter last night calling for a revolution because the electoral college supposedly robbed the people of the true elected president?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaltyDawg View Post
    As I said, I'm all for getting rid of the electoral college.

    Perhaps you aren't aware of Trump's tirade on Twitter last night calling for a revolution because the electoral college supposedly robbed the people of the true elected president?
    Are you seriously using Trump as the basis of your arguement. He is a fraud and gets on TV because he is rich and that is it.

    He is the rights version of Chris Matthews thanking god for Hurricane Sandy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by franklin View Post
    This election shows the benefits and dangers of buying votes. It looks like republicans are going to have to stoop down to win any more of these. The thought of that spiral is not pretty.

    Ohio--auto
    Florida--ss&med
    PA, MI--welfare owns the vote

    Republicans have a vote buying strategy to figure out. That's a tough thing to do when you've been against certain demographics for decades and there aren't enough workers left to support do-gooder causes.
    TAX CUTS FOREVER isn't the most childish attempt to buy votes ever?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beantown View Post
    Lets see where we will be if Obama keeps us going "forward" for the next 4 years:

    -Obama will add another 5-6 trillion to the deficit

    -Gas prices will be around $6 dollars a gallon

    -Healthcare costs will go higher than most people's Mortgage per month

    -Unemployment will be around 9%


    YES WE CAN!!!
    Care to cite a real study to support this post in the classic Beantown tradition?
    Last edited by NUMBERICA; 11-07-2012 at 03:31 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JimLes View Post
    The levels of racial division in the USA are scary.
    But not really new. If the GOP is sensible and decent, they'll stop going all-in on brinksmanship and the southern strategy. Because it's not going to work anymore. What a bummer that you have to have something besides white males to win an election.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cctrackstar View Post
    Yeah, so I've lost my faith in America.

    What we have here is a change in society. When the constitution was originally written, everyone in the country had to pretty much stand on there own two feet or die of hunger. Most everyone had either a farm or a manufacturing thing and the ratio of employee to employer wasn't very high. Back then most every vote was equal because everyone knew how to work. Now we live in the world of giant corporations where a handful of people have tons of assets but they employ hundreds of uneducated minions, all of which have the same equal vote as their doctorate wielding bosses. This means that elections are being decided by people who don't even have a high school diploma rather then people with over eight years of college education. (Yes I realize that people back in early America didn't have an education either, but they still had a much higher work ethic than dude working the counter at Walmart)
    And women couldn't vote. And black people weren't considered people. And Americans were in the middle of a 200+ year war dedicated to destroy an entire race of people that happened to actually be there first. But other than that? Spotless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cctrackstar View Post
    WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP GOING BACK TO EITHER WOMENS RIGHTS OR RACISM? i HAVEN'T MENTIONED ANYTHING ABOUT EITHER OF THESE THINGS!

    I've been to college. Lots of women there.
    I stopped there.
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    I don't think I'm proclaiming any wild positions here, and I've been shooting from the hip. I'm just going to copy/paste something I wrote earlier and re-dedicate myself to shutting up and moving on.

    Whether you're stoked or bummed about the election, please STFU and let's focus on trying to get something done. The gridlock in Washington is reflected in the electorate, let's try to have a real conversation instead of digging in heals and shouting. PLEASE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beantown View Post
    Lets see where we will be if Obama keeps us going "forward" for the next 4 years:

    -Obama will add another 5-6 trillion to the deficit

    -Gas prices will be around $6 dollars a gallon

    -Healthcare costs will go higher than most people's Mortgage per month

    -Unemployment will be around 9%


    YES WE CAN!!!

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