No. But I think surgery and blood transfusions (which some religions are against) would definitely help.Originally Posted by Scat
I think birth control helps in other situations though, as the chick from Georgetown testified while Rush called her a slut.
In Rush's defense she was probably way slutty.
Are there any hospitals that are owned by a religion that doesn't believe in transfusions or surgery?
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I don't know. But the girl who Rush called a slut testified about Georgetown not giving birth control to women with cervical cancer who needed it to live.
Of course. Because the state of mind of a person being told they have a tumor is just like the one where the person is told they need a front-end alighment. Because the consequences of not having a tumor treated are just like not having your car's front end aligned. Because the amount of training required to properly evaluate a doctor's advice is almost the same as the amount of training required to properly evaluate the alignment of your car's tires. Because the degree of trust and acceptance in a doctor-patient relationship has the same level of trust and deference as the mechanic-car owner relationship.
I congratulate you on such a sterling analogy. How can I possibly argue against something like that.
I have not once in this thread argued that a person should be expected to act against their will or religious belief. My argument has consistently been that if you are not willing to practice medicine according the the standards of the medical profession, you have the responsibility to not be a doctor in the first place.
Also, I see you're not answering my question. If your doctor converts to being a JW, and you come in with a condition that requires a trnsfusion, should the doctor be allowed to refuse to order one for you?
I think your making the assumption that optimal care will not be available. If a doctor doesn't feel comfortable performing an abortion due to religious views that's fine in my view, he should be able to pass on the responsibility to another doctor who is. I don't think doctors should be forced to perform an abortion though simply because the state says he should.
Actually, I recdently saw a story of a hospital that refused to perform an abortion on a patient with an ectopic pregnancy.
Once you become an MD you become societies slave, got it.
So, you are insisting that the doctor violate his religious conscience by sending the patient to a different doctor, who will perform the abortion? That the JW doctor or CS doctor should violate their conscience by deliberately recomending other doctors who provide immoral treatments? You're willing to violate their religious freedom, but only to that degree?
If it means that the catholic church is going to shutdown all of their hospitals that are doing good work for the disenfranchised, do you really think it is worth it from a practical standpoint onebrow? Honestly? I think that there should be waivers for the catholic church for these situations - it's the most sensible thing to do especially considering that 1/5th of all hospitals in the US would likely cease operations otherwise.
Slaves can't quit; doctors can. Slaves don't take a service oarth; doctors take the Hippocratic oath. Slaves don't get treated with deference and respect by society; doctors do. Etc., etc, etc.
Are you even trying to craft a serious comparison, or are you just frustrated that you can't find one?
Not at all, if a doctor that works at non-denominational hospital, that is his/her decision, but if a hospital that is catholic owned and operated feels that this is beyond their organizations ethic code, then they should not be forced to perform abortions at said hospital.
One Brow, this isn't an exercise in mental ************, these are real issues that have real repercussions.
1) I think it's much more likely the Catholic church would sell the hospitals than close them down. They would want to get value from their assest, and there are plenty of hospital chains that would want to expand.
2) All hospitals do good work for the disenfranshied.
3) How many sorts of basic medicine would a hospital have to deny before you think shutting them down would be OK? Should there be religious exemptions for a putative JW hospital? How about a CS hospital?
I think you're thinking is worth no better argument than I've put forward. Forcing a doctor to perform standard care procedures because being a doctor is serious business isn't a real argument in my opinion. If a hospital doesn't want to perform certain procedures I don't think they should be forced to. Period. Whatever silly analogies I use to illustrate that point doesn't change that fundamental principle.
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