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    The game speaks for itself. I can compare it only with one thing, with Denver's jerseys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bjunior View Post
    The game speaks for itself. I can compare it only with one thing, with Denver's jerseys.
    "If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered." - Thomas Jefferson

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    I thought that Favors and Kanter both played very solid games. So solid that there is no reason they are getting a single minute less than Millsap and Jefferson.
    Quote Originally Posted by Biggs View Post
    So I was very mad about the game, but I wasn't going to vent here, because you guys all feel the same way. However, Ty's postgame interview got my blood boiling. On why he let Trey and Gordon play while having bad games, "You gotta let them battle through it because that's what you gotta do." Really are you kidding me. You have to balls to say that when you pulled Alec after 16 minutes against LAC and Kanter got 19 minutes toinght?

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    Quote Originally Posted by orangello View Post
    I thought that Favors and Kanter both played very solid games. So solid that there is no reason they are getting a single minute less than Millsap and Jefferson.
    I agree. Favors and Kanter can only get better. They need to be playing more than they are now.
    I'm ready for the youth movement to take over. So what if we lose, at least they are trying. Its like a teaser now to have to see what they are capable of only to have them pulled for the vets, who come in and play worse and take the majority of the minutes.

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    Just a pathetic effort. When we traded for AJ I said the Jazz gave up too much, well last night showed it. I am done with Jefferson. It is time to trade his lazy butt and let Favors play. The whole starting unit minus Hayward played like crap. I only watched until halftime because I couldn't take watching a team who seemed to not care at all.

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    I know it's only 5 games but I've never seen a more stark contrast with this team at home as opposed to on the road. There have always been differences because Utah is traditionally such a good home team - but it's never been this bad.

    The players, to a man, look completely different on the road. And I'm not just talking skill level - attitude, body language, energy..... everything. And it seems to be getting worse not better.

    And two of those four losses (Memphis and last night) were against teams that didn't bring anything close to their A game. Memphis slept walked through a good chunk of the game and then turned it on the last 15 minutes or so. Denver played abysmal basketball most of the first half last night. The only problem was Utah was much, much worse.

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    If Kanter can continue to play like he has in the last two games, then I think the Jazz FO needs to get rid of Millsap and Jefferson or at least Jefferson. Millsap is a nice third big, end of story. Kanter and Favors play such great D together that a lineup of Kanter, Favors, Williams, Hayward, Williams would do just fine, particularly with Millsap and Foye on the bench. Favors and Hayward must play big minutes at least 36/game. Make a move FO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NUMBERICA View Post
    I didn't see the game, but it appears that Favors and Kanter basically were too much to handle for Denver, Hayward was good, the veterans sucked, and the Jazz got otherwise embarrassed. You couldn't ask for a better evening if you want to see the team move on.

    Too bad Burks had a chuck-storm moment. Still waiting to see Corbin manage a player issue the right way one single time.
    Corbin "found" his team in the 3q against the Spurs, when the starters outscored them by 19 and tied up the game. Ty is going to stick with that group until told not to.

    Ty is not developing the youngs. To him they are only backups. And what is this coach staff doing with Burks? He has been atrocious this season. Sure, some is on him but some is on them as well.

    Also, I heard the new GM Lindsey on 1280 yesterday. I hope he is good but I heard some things that I did not like. He seems to have bought into totally the team tradition of Jerry Sloan and "Jazz basketball". I wanted to hear that he was bringing in some "Spurs basketball" and the ways of Pops. Also, a couple of items he mentioned that the Jazz value were patience and toughness. Could be a long road jazzfanz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cowhide View Post
    Just a pathetic effort. When we traded for AJ I said the Jazz gave up too much, well last night showed it. I am done with Jefferson. It is time to trade his lazy butt and let Favors play. The whole starting unit minus Hayward played like crap. I only watched until halftime because I couldn't take watching a team who seemed to not care at all.
    As a whole, the team effort was pathetic. I think that there were some guys that don't fit that description. Favors, Kanter, Hayward (mostly in the 3rd quarter) and Mo Williams.

    The most disappointing players in no particular order were Jefferson, Tinsley, Burks, Millsap (except for a brief period in the first quarter) Marvin and Foye.
    Quote Originally Posted by Biggs View Post
    So I was very mad about the game, but I wasn't going to vent here, because you guys all feel the same way. However, Ty's postgame interview got my blood boiling. On why he let Trey and Gordon play while having bad games, "You gotta let them battle through it because that's what you gotta do." Really are you kidding me. You have to balls to say that when you pulled Alec after 16 minutes against LAC and Kanter got 19 minutes toinght?

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    Quote Originally Posted by midnight_hwy View Post
    I agree. Favors and Kanter can only get better. They need to be playing more than they are now.
    I'm ready for the youth movement to take over. So what if we lose, at least they are trying. Its like a teaser now to have to see what they are capable of only to have them pulled for the vets, who come in and play worse and take the majority of the minutes.
    Please correct me if I'm wrong but the point of playing the vets large minutes is to teach the young guys what it takes to win. From what we have seen on the court on the road it is the children leading the vets. If we are going to lose no matter who we play then why are the youth not getting 30+ minutes a game? It is beyond frustrating. I am not a violent man but in the 3rd quarter I wanted to throw my remote through the television whenever Jefferson got the ball. There is not excuse at this point.
    Quote Originally Posted by Biggs View Post
    So I was very mad about the game, but I wasn't going to vent here, because you guys all feel the same way. However, Ty's postgame interview got my blood boiling. On why he let Trey and Gordon play while having bad games, "You gotta let them battle through it because that's what you gotta do." Really are you kidding me. You have to balls to say that when you pulled Alec after 16 minutes against LAC and Kanter got 19 minutes toinght?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJAS View Post
    If Kanter can continue to play like he has in the last two games, then I think the Jazz FO needs to get rid of Millsap and Jefferson or at least Jefferson. Millsap is a nice third big, end of story. Kanter and Favors play such great D together that a lineup of Kanter, Favors, Williams, Hayward, Williams would do just fine, particularly with Millsap and Foye on the bench. Favors and Hayward must play big minutes at least 36/game. Make a move FO.

    milsap and jefferson?

    dude calm down.

    playing with jeferson makes you look bad.
    we dont need to get rid of both.
    just jefferson
    get a 4th big for 10 minutes a game
    split the minutes about 30 for sap kanter and favors
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    Quote Originally Posted by DutchJazzer View Post
    milsap and jefferson?

    dude calm down.

    playing with jeferson makes you look bad.
    we dont need to get rid of both.
    just jefferson
    get a 4th big for 10 minutes a game
    split the minutes about 30 for sap kanter and favors
    Millsap has looked like a shell of his former self.
    Quote Originally Posted by Biggs View Post
    So I was very mad about the game, but I wasn't going to vent here, because you guys all feel the same way. However, Ty's postgame interview got my blood boiling. On why he let Trey and Gordon play while having bad games, "You gotta let them battle through it because that's what you gotta do." Really are you kidding me. You have to balls to say that when you pulled Alec after 16 minutes against LAC and Kanter got 19 minutes toinght?

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    One potential bright side to all this: if the sucking continues, the FO will have less and less motivation for keeping Al and/or Sap any longer. If we aren't a top 8 seed after 15-20 games, then even KOC/Lindsey will have to see the light and finally begin the youth movement.

    EDIT: maybe...just maybe a situation like this would also help the FO see that Corbin needs to go?
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    Quote Originally Posted by spycam1 View Post
    One potential bright side to all this: if the sucking continues, the FO will have less and less motivation for keeping Al and/or Sap any longer. If we aren't a top 8 seed after 15-20 games, then even KOC/Lindsey will have to see the light and finally begin the youth movement.

    EDIT: maybe...just maybe a situation like this would also help the FO see that Corbin needs to go?
    Your optimism will most likely betray you.
    Quote Originally Posted by Biggs View Post
    So I was very mad about the game, but I wasn't going to vent here, because you guys all feel the same way. However, Ty's postgame interview got my blood boiling. On why he let Trey and Gordon play while having bad games, "You gotta let them battle through it because that's what you gotta do." Really are you kidding me. You have to balls to say that when you pulled Alec after 16 minutes against LAC and Kanter got 19 minutes toinght?

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    Quote Originally Posted by orangello View Post
    Your optimism will most likely betray you.
    K, I'll hope for an Al trade by Christmas. Or are my hopes still too high?
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