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    No, they dont. Rather have Hayward. move along..

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    I know its not everything but if you compare PER Hayward 15.73 to George 14.82. The truth is they are very close in value with Hayward getting to the line more and George shooting the 3 ball more. Too close to call on this one. At least you did not get Aminu or Xavier Henry. Cant all ways hit the ball out of the park with a draft pick like you did with Millsap. Sometimes you need to be happy with a base hit or double. Just cant have lotto strike outs.

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    CJ has a better handle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben10 View Post
    Not even close. Hayward brings so many other things to the game. CJ has no Basketball IQ. Hayward does
    This is true. It has been disappointing seeing Hay miss some of these wide open looks though. A lot of us believe he can become an All-star. It's shots like he missed in Toronto which
    will keep him from getting there. I still believe in Hayward, but it's it's hard to be patience.

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    I agree that Hayward does a lot of things well and has good basketball IQ, however, I remember when many on this board thought Hayward would become the next great dead-eye sharp shooter for the Jazz. I don't think that will ever happen. He'll never be a Hornacek or Korver type of shooter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rcb1820 View Post
    Deja vu -- watching Gordon brick wide-open shots; screaming at TV. GH = CJ.
    Good hell really!!! Shut the hell up. Check with me next time before you speak!

    Hayward is the best passer on the team, highest BB IQ, gets to the foul line more then anyone, and great defender. There is no way he = CJ. If I've said it once I've said it a 1,000 times the jazz are using him wrong. He should have the ball in his hands to run the offense not spotting up. If Ty would do this he would shoot less spot up and more off the dribble, and more slash and pass or shoot situations. Hayward seems to be a better shooter off the dribble then when spotting up, then Mo would be able to concentrate more on shooting and scoring while also taking some of the pressure off of Hayward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thee jazz fan View Post
    Good hell really!!! Shut the hell up. Check with me next time before you speak!
    Hayward is the best passer on the team, highest BB IQ, gets to the foul line more then anyone, and great defender. There is no way he = CJ. If I've said it once I've said it a 1,000 times the jazz are using him wrong. He should have the ball in his hands to run the offense not spotting up. If Ty would do this he would shoot less spot up and more off the dribble, and more slash and pass or shoot situations. Hayward seems to be a better shooter off the dribble then when spotting up, then Mo would be able to concentrate more on shooting and scoring while also taking some of the pressure off of Hayward.
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    One of two things needs to happen, Hayward needs to come of the Bench or Favors needs to start. Hayward and Favors play so well with each other, they run the pick in roll very well and just compliment each other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zulu View Post
    One of two things needs to happen, Hayward needs to come of the Bench or Favors needs to start. Hayward and Favors play so well with each other, they run the pick in roll very well and just compliment each other.
    Agreed, providing they can each play 25 + minutes I would love to have them come off the bench together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhi View Post
    Hayward lacks aggressiveness. Change that and there is no longer an argument.
    Not sure why you think he lacks aggressiveness, he has gotten to the ft line more than anyone on the team. He goes harder to the hoop then anyone on the team! The problem is he is used primarily as a spot up guy, and that's just not his strength. He needs the ball in hand like a Kobe or DWade, not saying he's a scorer like them, but this is a guy who used to play pg. He's the best passer on the team. He's a lot like Stockton in that he's not flashy never tries anything risky other then the correct plays. Time after time I see guys like Mo, Tinsley, and others trying these crazy stupid passes that just leave you saying "what the hell was that" as the other team is fast breaking, and getting 2 points at the other end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thee jazz fan View Post
    Not sure why you think he lacks aggressiveness, he has gotten to the ft line more than anyone on the team. He goes harder to the hoop then anyone on the team! The problem is he is used primarily as a spot up guy, and that's just not his strength. He needs the ball in hand like a Kobe or DWade, not saying he's a scorer like them, but this is a guy who used to play pg. He's the best passer on the team. He's a lot like Stockton in that he's not flashy never tries anything risky other then the correct plays. Time after time I see guys like Mo, Tinsley, and others trying these crazy stupid passes that just leave you saying "what the hell was that" as the other team is fast breaking, and getting 2 points at the other end.
    Haydizzle is 2nd at getting to the line behind Sap. He is good at that though. He shoots 49% on his 2pt shots which is much better than Jeff's 44%.
    He is sucking though in his 3pt % at 28%. His rebounding is low and his assists should be higher, but I like his defense and his steals and blocks. He is not consistent yet, but I think so far he is better than last year. He is taking more shots this year, and as soon as he settles down we should see his %'s go back up to close to 48 and 37... just my opinion. He will get more calls from the ref's once his beard comes in more fully, so give him time.

    I think by the end of the year he will be back up to 3 apg and get to 15 ppg to go along with close to a steal and a block and low turnovers.

    Basically he still has work to do, but he is nowhere even close to CJ when it comes to chuckmanship and inconsistency.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JazzSpazz View Post
    Haydizzle is 2nd at getting to the line behind Sap. He is good at that though. He shoots 49% on his 2pt shots which is much better than Jeff's 44%.
    He is sucking though in his 3pt % at 28%. His rebounding is low and his assists should be higher, but I like his defense and his steals and blocks. He is not consistent yet, but I think so far he is better than last year. He is taking more shots this year, and as soon as he settles down we should see his %'s go back up to close to 48 and 37... just my opinion. He will get more calls from the ref's once his beard comes in more fully, so give him time.

    I think by the end of the year he will be back up to 3 apg and get to 15 ppg to go along with close to a steal and a block and low turnovers.

    Basically he still has work to do, but he is nowhere even close to CJ when it comes to chuckmanship and inconsistency.
    Easily could see him at 16/4/3/1/1 this season. His %s come up even a little and he's there

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thee jazz fan View Post
    He's the best passer on the team. He's a lot like Stockton .
    Please, never mention Hayward and Stockton in one sentence. That's just travesty. And no, he is not the best passer on the team, not even close. He is decent passer but nothing special.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thee jazz fan View Post
    Good hell really!!! Shut the hell up. Check with me next time before you speak!

    Hayward is the best passer on the team, highest BB IQ, gets to the foul line more then anyone, and great defender
    Yeah and you said he is going to average 20pts a game last year. ^Wrong, ^wrong, ^wrong, ^wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AKMVP View Post
    Please, never mention Hayward and Stockton in one sentence. That's just travesty. And no, he is not the best passer on the team, not even close. He is decent passer but nothing special.
    Who is the best passer on the team? AK?

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