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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Jazz Fan View Post
    92% is still greater than 0. It's just like any other job, if you're unhappy with it, find something else. Instead, approximately 5000 Bakers Union members put 18,500 out of work.
    I'd say that 5000 workers were unwilling to take it up the ass for 18,500 other workers due to the mismanagement of the company. Just because there was no limit to the sacrifice the bakers union workers were unwilling to endure doesn't mean everything is their fault.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Jazz Fan View Post
    92% is still greater than 0. It's just like any other job, if you're unhappy with it, find something else. Instead, approximately 5000 Bakers Union members put 18,500 out of work.
    It's not like the marketplace will disappear. Instead, people will buy Dolly Madison, Little Debbies, etc. Those companies will need to hire more bakers, delivery people, etc. Things shift around.

    Then again, I'm a liberal, so unlike conservatives, I believe in the strength of the free market.
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    Quote Originally Posted by One Brow View Post
    It's not like the marketplace will disappear. Instead, people will buy Dolly Madison, Little Debbies, etc. Those companies will need to hire more bakers, delivery people, etc. Things shift around.

    Then again, I'm a liberal, so unlike conservatives, I believe in the strength of the free market.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Jazz Fan View Post
    92% is still greater than 0. It's just like any other job, if you're unhappy with it, find something else. Instead, approximately 5000 Bakers Union members put 18,500 out of work.
    You are stuck on the 92% number. It's 64% only considering the pay cut. It's much much less considering the raised cost of health care, loss of retirement, and lesser benefits of health care.

    I see what you are stuck on, but just don't think you are seeing the whole picture here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by One Brow View Post
    It's not like the marketplace will disappear. Instead, people will buy Dolly Madison, Little Debbies, etc. Those companies will need to hire more bakers, delivery people, etc. Things shift around.

    Then again, I'm a liberal, so unlike conservatives, I believe in the strength of the free market.
    If by free market you mean there should be more money sent to pay for the extra unemployment, food stamps, and other "free" stuff from the government... then yea... you believe totally in the "free market".
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    Quote Originally Posted by JazzSpazz View Post
    If by free market you mean there should be more money sent to pay for the extra unemployment, food stamps, and other "free" stuff from the government... then yea... you believe totally in the "free market".
    I'm confused. Dolly Madison employees receive ' extra unemployment, food stamps, and other "free" stuff from the government'?
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    Quote Originally Posted by One Brow View Post
    I'm confused. Dolly Madison employees receive ' extra unemployment, food stamps, and other "free" stuff from the government'?
    How'd the surgery go?

    Did you get to keep your humor in a jar to look at, or did they just chuck it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by One Brow View Post
    I'm confused. Dolly Madison employees receive ' extra unemployment, food stamps, and other "free" stuff from the government'?
    They do now lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Jazz Fan View Post
    Hostess was more than snack foods. They offered a variety of healthy, whole grain breads. As far as the baker's union... I hope every one of those ******** that voted for the strike lose their homes(and everything else, for that matter) for putting the rest of us out of a job. Their last offer to Hostess was to fire the Teamsters(transport drivers, RSR's, and go to IO's in order to pay the bakers more money to push a button after loading pre-measured ingredients.
    If all they do is push a button after loading pre measured ingredients, why the heck did the company choose liquidation instead of replacing them?

    Surely in this economy the company could have found some stiffs capable of pushing a button and loading pre measured ingredients.

    Is the management that incompetent, or do they really do more than that? I don't know. Either way, I'm sorry for you and everyone else looking for a new job, but, no offense, there is no way I would have agreed to those cuts if I worked there.

    As it said in that link I posted, it would be hard to replace the job they had, easy to replace the job they were offering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaltyDawg View Post
    If all they do is push a button after loading pre measured ingredients, why the heck did the company choose liquidation instead of replacing them?

    Surely in this economy the company could have found some stiffs capable of pushing a button and loading pre measured ingredients.

    Is the management that incompetent, or do they really do more than that? I don't know. Either way, I'm sorry for you and everyone else looking for a new job, but, no offense, there is no way I would have agreed to those cuts if I worked there.

    As it said in that link I posted, it would be hard to replace the job they had, easy to replace the job they were offering.


    Replace a union employee. Do you have any idea how difficult that is? The company moved production to other bakeries to try to make it work but when thousands walk out it doesn't make a difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Jazz Fan View Post
    Replace a union employee. Do you have any idea how difficult that is? The company moved production to other bakeries to try to make it work but when thousands walk out it doesn't make a difference.
    It's not difficult at all. It's totally legal to hire replacement workers if there is a strike.

    If the workers are as unskilled as you say they are, then they should be easy enough to replace. It was the company's management that acted like they were impossible to replace and instead chose liquidation. The law would not have prevented them in any way from using replacement workers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaltyDawg View Post
    It's not difficult at all. It's totally legal to hire replacement workers if there is a strike.

    If the workers are as unskilled as you say they are, then they should be easy enough to replace. It was the company's management that acted like they were impossible to replace and instead chose liquidation. The law would not have prevented them in any way from using replacement workers.
    Well if it's that easy, and they are too dumb to do that... is that a sign of someone you want to work for?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JazzSpazz View Post
    Well if it's that easy, and they are too dumb to do that... is that a sign of someone you want to work for?
    Exactly. I think the management was incompetent, and possibly corrupt. They got millions of dollars in bonuses that would have probably been negotiated out in a new deal. They wanted to go bankrupt.

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    Hilarious to watch those who jumped onto this anti-union bandwagon run and scatter now that the other side is being told.

    Ooops!

    Guess they jumped the gun too quickly after desperately trying to grab onto something after their ship was sunk just a few weeks ago.

    When will conservatives come back to join the rest of us in reality? Not all unions are evil and bad and not all CEOs are the noble "job creators" that should be worshiped.

    This brand of deregulation, insider trading, crony capitalism, with execs raiding historic companies merely to rob them of wealth and driving them further into financial instability, and then blaming everything on the workers clearly isn't sustainable nor conducive to an economic recovery.
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