Payton should be in over that group. I would have to look at the numbers, but would Cheeks be the only other one deserving of being in with Hardaway and Richmond on the bubble? I leave Jackson out of the convo because I think he will get in, but don't want him to because he's a ... I can't think of a good word for him.Originally Posted by fatchipper
Never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line!
I can provide you with a couple upon request after I get off work.
I remember in Open Court, that Steve Kerr guy said every single bad thing he can think of about Stockton. Gary even though he was a trash talker could always give credit where credit is due and is a real man not like the Steve Kerr.
He said good, not appropriate.
....well, Cheeks and Bobby Jones were true blue professionals.....that's more than can be said about Payton!
John Stockton had a lot of respect from coaches and players all around the league. He was always on All Star teams as a coaches pick. I never heard anyone bad mouth Stockton (in terms of competitiveness/talent/playwise) except in Bill Simmons' book. Which I can understand where Simmons was coming from. He wasn't elite at his position and Malone/Stockton didn't really step it up in the post season like they should have (Why was David Benoit shooting in the 4th quarter?). Injuries plagued a 89 Jazz team that probably could have went to the finals. Maybe if the Jazz didn't trade Adrian Dantley that would have been that "third player" the Jazz always needed and we may have seen a Jazz championship. But that is how basketball is. MJ also said that Stockton/Jazz were the best team they played against in the finals. And he played against everyone.
....who would you go pay to see.....Payton or Reggie Miller? Case closed. I wouldn't walk across the street for free to see Gary Payton play. I'd pay at least 10 bucks to see Reggie!
...basically all hogwash! The Jazz got hosed by Dick Brevetta in that 6th game.....would have won that 7th game without question! Jordan cost Stockton and Malone two rings. The Jazz had enough to beat anybody else both years! Bill Simmons should be ashamed of himself for dissing either Stockton or Malone for anything basketball related!
.....if I were Stockton I'd twitter Payton and say: "Sorry, can't make it.....previous engagement.......hope you can find one of your trash talking punk buddies to do the honors!"
....yeah, not very good and overrated. Only has TWO guard records that will NEVER be broken: Career assists and career steals! Nobody will even come close.
Look at his stats for post season and regular season. There should have been no way that Stockton/Malone shouldn't have done more in the post season. Their numbers dropped dramatically.
If you are mad that they didn't call the "jordan push" a foul, then you have to call a foul on Karl Malone holding Barkley back on "the shot". They don't call a lot of those fouls in the final seconds of games.
Also, Sloan's substitution patterns hurt us in that game against the Bulls. You should have seen his 3rd quarter lineup.
It is only put under a microscope by Jazz fans because of implications, but you don't call a foul there because B-Russ slipped and the nudge wasn't enough to make him slip that much. yeah, the Jazz probably would have won a game 7 in Utah. But it shouldn't have come down to that.
EDIT: Also, Jazz STILL had a chance to tie/win and Malone lost the ball. As much his fault as it is Jordan's "shot".
Sometimes they can be one and the same. It all depends on your perspective.
It occurs to me that CarolinaJazz might be one of the longest-running trolls currently around on the internet. That is a long-ass time to do a character. And a vaguely racist Utah Jazz basketball fan, at that.
So wait...Gary Payton is trash talking punk but Reggie Miller is someone you would pay to see?
Keep the laughs coming, KKKarolinajazz. Keep 'em coming.
Payton's career > Reggie's. Not by much, and not saying Reggie wasnt worthy of 1st-ballot status, but GP is a 1st-ballot Hall-of-Famer.
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