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    Romney: Obama won with "gifts" to African Americans and Hispanics

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...02a_story.html

    Wow. Romney crying hard. Dude needs to let it go and help his party rebuild. Talk like this is exactly why he lost.
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    Why do you think what he's saying is so divisive? I don't have the transcripts but what I've seen isn't anything everyone else isn't already saying. In fact, he was very fair and matter-of-fact about it. The Mayor of San Antonio, a democrat and hispanic, was explaining the day after the election how much Obamacare and amnesty means to hispanic voters. Looks to me like Romney is regurgitating that and insinuating his party move toward the center.

    Free contraceptives were very big with young college-aged women. And then, finally, Obamacare also made a difference for them, because as you know, anybody now twenty-six years of age and younger was now going to be part of their parents’ plan, and that was a big gift to young people. They turned out in large numbers, a larger share in this election even than in 2008….

    You can imagine for somebody making $25,000 or $30,000 or $35,000 a year, being told you’re now going to get free health care, particularly if you don’t have it, getting free health care worth, what, $10,000 per family, in perpetuity, I mean, this is huge. Likewise with Hispanic voters, free health care was a big plus. But in addition with regards to Hispanic voters, the amnesty for children of illegals, the so-called Dream Act kids, was a huge plus for that voting group.

    Read more: http://www.newyorker.com/online/blog...#ixzz2CJZvlKFz
    I would expect some Washington Post columnist to spin that into some racist diatribe and that's exactly what they did.

    Quote Originally Posted by BabyPeterzz View Post
    Wow. Romney crying hard. Dude needs to let it go and help his party rebuild. Talk like this is exactly why he lost.
    As far as crying, getting over it, etc., Romney is giving a typical "we lost because" speech to his committee and big donors. The media and liberals are the ones who need to get over Romney and let him go.
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    I keep hearing that the Repubs need to be more inclusive. What exactly does that mean? They simply need to give more people what they want regardless of ramifications? Obamacare, free birth control for college aged women, free cell phones, amnesty for any child born to parents that came here illegally and advocating for gay marriage. I'm sure there are many more. All of this caters to very specific segments of society, all of which voted for Obama. Blacks, Hispanics, young voters, women, gays, etc. When you create programs that make certain groups happy, those groups will vote for you every time. To me, the term "more inclusive" simply reads as catering to those whom you want to vote for you.

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    Serious question on immigration to all that are here.

    Would you take a compromise on immigration that does the following:

    - Truly secure border (fence, national guard...)
    - No more anchor babies for babies born in the future
    - Amnesty (6 month temp status to get the ball rolling) to everyone here right now that is not breaking additional laws such as robbery, rape, murder, drug dealing...
    - Deportation of those here illegally that are breaking other laws
    - Increased legal immigration flow. Streamline process and dramtically increase the flow. Particular emphasis on doctors, engineers, vets and other high skill sets.
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    Not a fan of the amnesty bit but I would take the deal just to get **** done.

    Oh, and I agree with the thought that we should be throwing green cards to any and every well educated person on the planet; doctors, engineers, nurses, etc. That said, we can deport the lawyers and politicians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scat View Post
    Not a fan of the amnesty bit but I would take the deal just to get **** done.

    Oh, and I agree with the thought that we should be throwing green cards to any and every well educated person on the planet; doctors, engineers, nurses, etc. That said, we can deport the lawyers and politicians.
    I knew my proposal had something left out! Thanks Scat. I edited it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scat View Post
    I keep hearing that the Repubs need to be more inclusive. What exactly does that mean? They simply need to give more people what they want regardless of ramifications? Obamacare, free birth control for college aged women, free cell phones, amnesty for any child born to parents that came here illegally and advocating for gay marriage. I'm sure there are many more. All of this caters to very specific segments of society, all of which voted for Obama. Blacks, Hispanics, young voters, women, gays, etc. When you create programs that make certain groups happy, those groups will vote for you every time. To me, the term "more inclusive" simply reads as catering to those whom you want to vote for you.
    If they want to win then yes they need to do most if not all of those things. Its a popularity contest, plain and simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kennykyle View Post
    If they want to win then yes they need to do most if not all of those things. Its a popularity contest, plain and simple.
    And this is why I do not have a good feeling about where things are heading.
    #BelieveInLindsey

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoked View Post
    And this is why I do not have a good feeling about where things are heading.
    That's what she said.
    "If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered." - Thomas Jefferson

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    Quote Originally Posted by franklin View Post
    Why do you think what he's saying is so divisive? I don't have the transcripts but what I've seen isn't anything everyone else isn't already saying. In fact, he was very fair and matter-of-fact about it. The Mayor of San Antonio, a democrat and hispanic, was explaining the day after the election how much Obamacare and amnesty means to hispanic voters. Looks to me like Romney is regurgitating that and insinuating his party move toward the center.



    I would expect some Washington Post columnist to spin that into some racist diatribe and that's exactly what they did.



    As far as crying, getting over it, etc., Romney is giving a typical "we lost because" speech to his committee and big donors. The media and liberals are the ones who need to get over Romney and let him go.
    His language, and most conservatives', tells a greater story here and points to exactly why Republicans lost. It speaks to their world view and their overall perception of America. Those that voted for Obama again don't see health care as a privilege or a "gift", fair treatment of kids born in the U.S. is not a gift, equal treatment of homosexuals is not a gift. Freedom and public health are priorities and should always be key components to our economic strategy. That's why I voted for Obama.

    Until the R party understands this they won't be able to compete in our new landscape. Language matters. Keep spouting this **** and the R's will continue to lose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSilencer1313 View Post
    That's what she said.
    She's due in May...
    #BelieveInLindsey

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoked View Post
    She's due in May...
    Wow, another one huh?
    "If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered." - Thomas Jefferson

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSilencer1313 View Post
    Wow, another one huh?
    #3 and likely the last one.
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    I'm sure you left out the "young" part of that quote just as an oversight, huh? So what Romney is saying here is that people don't like Austerity talk? They don't like when they feel you are going to take something away? I'm floored. Let's get 4000 comments on the Washington Post disputing that when there is a whole world on anti-austerity fire right now as real world evidence. Who's in the streets protesting in the countries? The unemployed, minorities, and the young? Isn't that what Romney is saying? Does it not apply to the United States as well? Of course it does. That may or may not have been what made up the differential in this particular election, but there were certainly a lot of people on twitter talking about how Romney was coming after "them". That racial genocide was just around the corner via austerity.....Which of course is nonsense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoked View Post
    #3 and likely the last one.
    Congrats my friend :-)
    "If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered." - Thomas Jefferson

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