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    Honestly, if Utah is trying to shop Burks, they're doing an awful job at showcasing his talent for potential suitors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theNBAnerd View Post
    expected some good conversation around this... should have known better. more jazzfanz MO: overestimate the value of our own young players while underestimating the value of everybody else in the NBA. people really think we're going to get bledsoe or rondo for burks??? burks has a PER of NEGATIVE 5.8 right now.

    bottom line is, corbin told guys at the start of the year that their depth was going to mean guys would take their turns so they needed to "be ready" for when their number was called. burks wasn't ready. i was thinking about this the other day when carroll made it "we have plenty of guys who can score, so now we just need somebody to do the dirty work." what would have happened if burks had come in during any of those games and played half as hard as carroll? corbin would have had NO CHOICE but to play the kid. but he doesn't play that way because he thinks he should be guaranteed something.

    and as far as the legitimacy of the rumor, consider this -- all the people saying KOC/lindsay didn't leak this are right; the jazz don't do that and it wouldn't help them get value back anyway. so who WOULD it benefit to leak this? if your answer is anything other than "alec burks' agent," try again. doesn't that turn anybody off? the guy is playing truly awful basketball right now and instead of focusing on playing better, they're starting a PR war to force a trade. ridick.

    i like burks, and if he starts playing hard and playing the right way, i'll get right back on board. but i'm not going to give the benefit of the doubt to someone just because they were drafted 12th and lifted a lot of weights in the summer. play better.
    He was solid in summer league and in preseason games.

    After that this kid got DNPs first games, than played 2min, than again some crappy time.

    So what are you talking about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by theNBAnerd View Post
    expected some good conversation around this... should have known better. more jazzfanz MO: overestimate the value of our own young players while underestimating the value of everybody else in the NBA. people really think we're going to get bledsoe or rondo for burks??? burks has a PER of NEGATIVE 5.8 right now.

    bottom line is, corbin told guys at the start of the year that their depth was going to mean guys would take their turns so they needed to "be ready" for when their number was called. burks wasn't ready. i was thinking about this the other day when carroll made it "we have plenty of guys who can score, so now we just need somebody to do the dirty work." what would have happened if burks had come in during any of those games and played half as hard as carroll? corbin would have had NO CHOICE but to play the kid. but he doesn't play that way because he thinks he should be guaranteed something.

    and as far as the legitimacy of the rumor, consider this -- all the people saying KOC/lindsay didn't leak this are right; the jazz don't do that and it wouldn't help them get value back anyway. so who WOULD it benefit to leak this? if your answer is anything other than "alec burks' agent," try again. doesn't that turn anybody off? the guy is playing truly awful basketball right now and instead of focusing on playing better, they're starting a PR war to force a trade. ridick.

    i like burks, and if he starts playing hard and playing the right way, i'll get right back on board. but i'm not going to give the benefit of the doubt to someone just because they were drafted 12th and lifted a lot of weights in the summer. play better.
    Ugh. Precisely the apologist stance I'm talking about. play better??? When the **** is he supposed to play better?? He hasn't had extended minutes since the summer league.. oh yeah, which he dominated. I guess he did play in the preseason too, and aside from his FT % what the hell did he do that was bad?

    Are you in the practices? I find it unbelievable the certainty with which you speak about Alec's proposed "entitlement problem". Where is that even coming from? PROVE to me that you're not completely pulling that out of your ass. Please... even once source. Just one. Don't give him the benefit of the doubt because he was drafted 12th or feign props because he 'lifted weights' as you so put. Give him the benefit of the doubt because he can PLAY. For ****'s sake.

    And seriously man, you're gonna cite his PER?? How many minutes has he played this entire season? Absolutely unbelievable.

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    theNBAnerd must be some kind of uber-genius to be able reach so many conclusions from a season total of 42 minutes played.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theNBAnerd View Post
    expected some good conversation around this... should have known better. more jazzfanz MO: overestimate the value of our own young players while underestimating the value of everybody else in the NBA. people really think we're going to get bledsoe or rondo for burks??? burks has a PER of NEGATIVE 5.8 right now.

    bottom line is, corbin told guys at the start of the year that their depth was going to mean guys would take their turns so they needed to "be ready" for when their number was called. burks wasn't ready. i was thinking about this the other day when carroll made it "we have plenty of guys who can score, so now we just need somebody to do the dirty work." what would have happened if burks had come in during any of those games and played half as hard as carroll? corbin would have had NO CHOICE but to play the kid. but he doesn't play that way because he thinks he should be guaranteed something.

    and as far as the legitimacy of the rumor, consider this -- all the people saying KOC/lindsay didn't leak this are right; the jazz don't do that and it wouldn't help them get value back anyway. so who WOULD it benefit to leak this? if your answer is anything other than "alec burks' agent," try again. doesn't that turn anybody off? the guy is playing truly awful basketball right now and instead of focusing on playing better, they're starting a PR war to force a trade. ridick.

    i like burks, and if he starts playing hard and playing the right way, i'll get right back on board. but i'm not going to give the benefit of the doubt to someone just because they were drafted 12th and lifted a lot of weights in the summer. play better.

    I used to browse this forum a bunch during the offseason, before I finally registered. Aren't you the poster who talked about how little Carroll contributes to the roster, and that our team would be best off if he wasn't signed, or given any minutes period??


    Excuse me while I LOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiroMar View Post
    theNBAnerd must be some kind of uber-genius to be able reach so many conclusions from a season total of 42 minutes played.
    Of course. PER = the absolute most accurate indicator of a player's worth in this league, even in absurdly small samples.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sneakers View Post
    Ugh. Precisely the apologist stance I'm talking about. play better??? When the **** is he supposed to play better?? He hasn't had extended minutes since the summer league.. oh yeah, which he dominated. I guess he did play in the preseason too, and aside from his FT % what the hell did he do that was bad?

    Are you in the practices? I find it unbelievable the certainty with which you speak about Alec's proposed "entitlement problem". Where is that even coming from? PROVE to me that you're not completely pulling that out of your ass. Please... even once source. Just one. Don't give him the benefit of the doubt because he was drafted 12th or feign props because he 'lifted weights' as you so put. Give him the benefit of the doubt because he can PLAY. For ****'s sake.

    And seriously man, you're gonna cite his PER?? How many minutes has he played this entire season? Absolutely unbelievable.
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    So I was very mad about the game, but I wasn't going to vent here, because you guys all feel the same way. However, Ty's postgame interview got my blood boiling. On why he let Trey and Gordon play while having bad games, "You gotta let them battle through it because that's what you gotta do." Really are you kidding me. You have to balls to say that when you pulled Alec after 16 minutes against LAC and Kanter got 19 minutes toinght?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiroMar View Post
    theNBAnerd must be some kind of uber-genius to be able reach so many conclusions from a season total of 42 minutes played.
    Yep, only a true idiot would quote an advanced stat like PER with 40 minutes played. He was right on the rumor part though, its mostly his agent looking out for Burks and, most importantly, himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jazz4ever View Post
    Yep, only a true idiot would quote an advanced stat like PER with 40 minutes played. He was right on the rumor part though, its mostly his agent looking out for Burks and, most importantly, himself.
    That's possible.

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    I know Burks isn't a name, but we're going on 24 hours since this guy who, quite frankly, I've never heard of before in my life posted his Twitter comment.

    I haven't seen anything else about this anywhere except a re-tweet on Hoopshype.

    This may turn out to be just BS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarteBlanche View Post
    I used to browse this forum a bunch during the offseason, before I finally registered. Aren't you the poster who talked about how little Carroll contributes to the roster, and that our team would be best off if he wasn't signed, or given any minutes period??


    Excuse me while I LOL.


    Lol.

    Why do you preface all your posts with something a long the lines of, Im new here.

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    If the jazz are willing to trade him I blame CJ Chucker Miles.

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    I guess once you make it, then it's ok not to show up some games.

    I don't think Foye or Marvin showed up on the road trip, but that's ok why? Oh, yeah because they already made the rotation, and are vets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hack View Post
    Lol.

    Why do you preface all your posts with something a long the lines of, Im new here.
    Because he's someone else's account?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hack View Post
    Lol.

    Why do you preface all your posts with something a long the lines of, Im new here.
    Yeah okay buddy :S ALl I was saying is that I surfed this webpage for a while, and NBAnerd used to post much more. If I didn't give that disclaimer, then you would say 'OH how did you know this if you were registered at the time!?!?!".

    Give me a break guys/negreppers. I have no clue why so many of you are set on trying to label me as a previous account. Its rather tiresome

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