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    Utah secession petition reaches over 8,000

    In the spirit of the secession movement, I decided to take a look at how many Utahns might think it's a good idea.
    Apparently over 8,000 do, and I just added myself to the petition. How would it be my friends?
    Federally ceased lands fully restored to the citizens, no more wasting of tax funds, no more federally imposed drug laws, and an easier to control local government no longer dependent on federal charity funds with massive interest attached.
    Most importantly.... no more manipulative private federal reserve bankers deciding the very fate of our economy.
    Thoughts??

    http://wh.gov/9dLX
    "If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered." - Thomas Jefferson

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    I'm a rebel, so hell yas!
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    Quote Originally Posted by PKM View Post
    I'm a rebel, so hell yas!
    I didn't know you went to Dixie State College!!!
    http://blogimages.thescore.com/tbj/files/2011/06/alec-burks-suit.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zulu View Post
    I didn't know you went to Dixie State College!!!
    You are pissin me off, Zulu. Ain't no REAL rebs round these parts!

    #dumptruckin

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    Quote Originally Posted by PKM View Post
    You are pissin me off, Zulu. Ain't no REAL rebs round these parts!

    Zulu reminds me of someone tougher.

    "If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered." - Thomas Jefferson

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    Quote Originally Posted by PKM View Post
    You are pissin me off, Zulu. Ain't no REAL rebs round these parts!

    Aren't they the Flyers now?

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    Yes, they are. Why?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PKM View Post
    Yes, they are. Why?
    Who cares.

    But I would really like it if someone of the opposition would actually post in this thread, considering I like differing points of political view.
    Without the Wes Manfranklin type jabbering though please.
    "If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered." - Thomas Jefferson

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSilencer1313 View Post
    Who cares.

    But I would really like it if someone of the opposition would actually post in this thread, considering I like differing points of political view.
    Without the Wes Manfranklin type jabbering though please.
    OK, no. I am glad that only 8,000 peopel have signed this petition. Secession is a bad idea. Let us say that Utah did seceed. Then what? Would they become a theocracy? Keep in mind 66% of Utah is Mormon. Would there be a new call to Zion?

    There are other factors to consider like being compeltely landlocked by the country you just abandoned. You have no access to international waters. Hell you have to make treaties just to get people able to fly in as they come thru US airspace.
    #BelieveInLindsey #BelieveInSnyder

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    I'm not a secessionist per se so I wouldn't sign, but I do think that nullification should be a common occurrence and that states' rights need to supersede the Federal government wherever possible so I am fully in line with the spirit of the movement. If not, we might as well stop having elections and just accept the fact that our "Republic" is nothing more than an undemocratic Union now, no better than the failing European Union.

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    But who would protect us from the terrorists? Jk


    I would love to see something put the Federal government in their place, but it isnt going to happen. The damage is done already. The people were supposed not let the federal government get this big and this out of control. You don't wait until its the most powerful entity on earth then try to stand up to it. Its too late, and if there was any hope to stop it, it wouldnt matter because enough people arent on the same page.

    The grid is already in place. The power structure has its stranglehold. The media owns the minds. Its only going to get worse. Welcome to the new world order.

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    I wouldn't be against the idea if it didn't involve so many hick states.

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    There are two plausible visions for the future (sorry, but a religious judgement day is not one of them) that I keep encountering in science fiction and futurist books, and I wonder which one will prevail in the next couple of hundred years. The first is the liberal vision where the vast majority of the world is united under a single government that tackles global issues, while local governments address immediate needs of their constituents. Or the libertarian vision with thousands of separate legal entities tied in a loose state of economic interdependence, but they remain mostly self-governed except for the occasional voluntary participation in wider initiatives.

    I've always assumed the liberal vision was more likely (what Silencer would call a New World Order). But now the trend seems to be heading in the libertarian direction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nate505 View Post
    I wouldn't be against the idea if it didn't involve so many hick states.
    Is Colorado a hick state? Just curious.

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    8,000 people who should never have offspring...
    Lakers Suck.

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