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    Again, what would be the end game for Israel if they absorbed the Palestinian territories? Seems to me that could only end in genocide, apartheid or Palestinian control of Israel (given the demographics). How would any of those outcomes be better for Israel? They're right where they want to be.
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    I just think that the sooner Americans come to grips that they cannot control every single country, how they think, what they do, what they eat and drink, what time to get out of bed, etc the better.

    We cannot afford this "charity" that is costing us billions and billions and thousands and thousands of American lives abroad.

    Sooner or later, these countries need to learn to be self-sufficient and walk on their own. Lets stop artificially inflating their economies and armies. Let these children learn to walk on their own. Let those local governments decide what to do rather than foreign powers living thousands upon thousands of miles away.

    Perhaps they'd stop fighting each other if they knew that daddy Sam wouldn't come in to stop the fight by bribing them with food, money, weapons, and more handouts?

    Food for thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Thriller View Post
    I personally don't care.

    We're on the other side of the world. Lets worry about our own nation. Let Israel and whoever else fight whoever they want. Isolationism always was the best medicine.

    If Israel destroys Iran then that should be their business. If Israel is crushed by Iran then that's their business.

    Let other countries rise and learn to walk or fall on their own two feet. I for one am tired of the USA trying to help every lil country and their dog try and walk using billions of our hard earned dollars.

    If Egypt, Israel, Iraq, etc want to survive, then do so WITHOUT our aid. If you can't, then meh, let another country/empire/group try.

    "Commerce with all nations, alliance with none, should be our motto"
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    Yeah the US would no longer be the US if that were truly our motto and operation. The French alliance ensured victory in the Revolutionary war. Alliances in WWII with Russia & UK were critcal I like Thommy J but he is just flat out wrong here.

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    I posted this in the Middle East thread but it's pertinent here as well.

    I wonder what everyone thinks about the contention that Palestinians do not exist other than a reason to create a wedge between Israel and the Arab world?

    The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct “Palestinian people” to oppose Zionism.

    For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan. ~~ Zahir Muhsein, PLO executive committee member, March 31, 1977
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    Isn’t it interesting that prior to the 1967 Arab-Israeli war, there was no serious movement for a Palestinian homeland?
    The truth is that Palestine is no more real than Never-Never Land. The first time the name was used was in 70 A.D. when the Romans committed genocide against the Jews, smashed the Temple and declared the land of Israel would be no more. From then on, the Romans promised, it would be known as Palestine. The name was derived from the Philistines, a Goliathian people conquered by the Jews centuries earlier. It was a way for the Romans to add insult to injury. They also tried to change the name of Jerusalem to Aelia Capitolina, but that had even less staying power.

    Palestine has never existed — before or since — as an autonomous entity. It was ruled alternately by Rome, by Islamic and Christian crusaders, by the Ottoman Empire and, briefly, by the British after World War I. The British agreed to restore at least part of the land to the Jewish people as their homeland.
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    Why don't all of you worrying about Israel building cities in disputed lands worry just as much about Egyptian, Jordanian, and Syrian regimes who confiscated much larger tracts of land from Palestinians and holed them up in the Gaza strip?

    Your obsession with the Jews while giving a free pass to Muslim based nations is straight up anti-semitic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by franklin View Post
    Why don't all of you worrying about Israel building cities in disputed lands worry just as much about Egyptian, Jordanian, and Syrian regimes who confiscated much larger tracts of land from Palestinians and holed them up in the Gaza strip?
    So...these are ongoing conflicts?

    And again, what does Israel stand to gain by going to war? They already have everything they want (short of getting rid of Arabs).
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    Quote Originally Posted by franklin View Post
    Why don't all of you worrying about Israel building cities in disputed lands worry just as much about Egyptian, Jordanian, and Syrian regimes who confiscated much larger tracts of land from Palestinians and holed them up in the Gaza strip?

    Your obsession with the Jews while giving a free pass to Muslim based nations is straight up anti-semitic.
    Considering that Jordan and Egypt have borders with the West Bank and Gaza.
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    Why not just let world war 3 to begin?

    Sound fun

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    Quote Originally Posted by GVC View Post
    So...these are ongoing conflicts?

    And again, what does Israel stand to gain by going to war? They already have everything they want (short of getting rid of Arabs).
    To put it bluntly, if they were to beat the Palestinians into submission they stand to gain the submission of Palestinians. As it stands the Palestinian government doesn't recognize Israels right to exist and they carry out rocket attacks and terrorist attacks on Israeli women and children. Hit them hard enough and tell them to put an end to those tactics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Thriller View Post
    I just think that the sooner Americans come to grips that they cannot control every single country, how they think, what they do, what they eat and drink, what time to get out of bed, etc the better.

    We cannot afford this "charity" that is costing us billions and billions and thousands and thousands of American lives abroad.

    Sooner or later, these countries need to learn to be self-sufficient and walk on their own. Lets stop artificially inflating their economies and armies. Let these children learn to walk on their own. Let those local governments decide what to do rather than foreign powers living thousands upon thousands of miles away.

    Perhaps they'd stop fighting each other if they knew that daddy Sam wouldn't come in to stop the fight by bribing them with food, money, weapons, and more handouts?

    Food for thought.
    Isn't this what Ron Paul has been saying for 30 years now?
    "If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered." - Thomas Jefferson

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSilencer1313 View Post
    Isn't this what Ron Paul has been saying for 30 years now?
    Isn't it also the morally correct thing to do?

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    interesting thread. racialism noted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeavenHarris View Post
    interesting thread. racialism noted.
    I'll grant you a bit of culturalism on my part, but you can get the **** out with your accusations of racism. That has nothing to do with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by One Brow View Post
    See, I thought you would mean Israel would stop erecting and protecting Israeli cities in Palestinian territory and turn the protection of Palestinian land over to Palestine. That would be going for it.
    What territory? You mean the space Jordan attacked and assumed for 20 years only to lose back to its rightful owners after acting like beligerant dicks and getting ass kicked by Israel?

    If Palestine or Jordan wanted that land then they should have stepped up to the peace negotiation table 40 years ago. They refused peace, refuse to recognize Israel's right to exist, & refuse to stop attacking innocent civilians. Why would anyone defend these monsters? Yeah, I feel really bad for the poor citizens of Palestine, but the only solution is for them to support a peaceful regime or get fist ****ed. Stop firing rockets at women & children you pieces of ****.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gameface View Post
    To put it bluntly, if they were to beat the Palestinians into submission they stand to gain the submission of Palestinians.
    And then what? Business as usual? Stealing land, water, access to ports, etc.?
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