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    Hayward - can he shoot ?

    I love absolutely everything about Hayward's game except his extreme inconsistency in shooting.

    It seemed as though when Ty had him run the 2nd unit for a few games, taking a lot of shots, most that he normally wouldn't take, he did OK. (About 50%)


    But as a 3rd/4th option his shooting is horrible. To the point I wonder how he got this far.

    He seems to do better with Tinsley at point for some reason.

    Anyway, I am just perplexed on what he will turn out to be ........

    I hope the kid turns it around

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    His balance sucks. You can tell when he drives too, he just doesn't have the best body control.
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    2010: 48%, 47% 3pt
    2011: 46%, 35% 3pt
    2012: 41%, 28% 3pt

    Look familiar, CJ fans?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrone Torbin View Post
    His balance sucks. You can tell when he drives too, he just doesn't have the best body control.
    This. When he is on balance and with his feet set he is a pretty good shooter. He struggles with his footwork coming off screens and when a pass is poorly thrown. IMO fixing these problems would make him an average NBA shooter. But with the rest of his all around game would make him a pretty good player.
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    Quote Originally Posted by r_u_s_t_b_u_c_k_e_t View Post
    2010: 48%, 47% 3pt
    2011: 46%, 35% 3pt
    2012: 41%, 28% 3pt

    Look familiar, CJ fans?

    Thing is with these numbers, he gets a decent amount of fast break dunks to "inflate" these 2pt numbers.......

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    Can he shoot, or can he shoot well? He can be an ok shooter, never going to be a Korver but he should be a good enough shooter to keep defenses honest. I prefer him driving anyways, as long as he can be consistent enough to make the D get up on him he will be ok.

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    I love Hayward's defense, passing and overall basketball IQ, but I have accepted the fact that he will never be a great shooter. He may get hot at times (and occasionally hit a game winning shot like the Sacramento game), but he'll never be dependable/consistent go to guy.

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    Im hoping one day he gets a jump shot, with his height he could be unstoppable.
    GVC'S thoughts on the Jazz drafting Hayward......

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    Why not just buy a late 1st and draft Luke Babbitt? Better Body, better basketball skills, better athleticism...

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    Hayward has wildly inconsistent mechanics on his jump shot. He often does not jump straight up and down, when he shoots from the corner he always seems to be leaning towards the baseline. All bad habits that makes your shots sail instead of go straight.

    Personally, I blame Jeff Hornacek. These are all things Hornacek did as a player but he made them more than he missed because he was a natural pure shooter.

    I sometimes wonder if Horny was too unique a shooter for him to convey it properly to his players - kind of like Jimi Hendrix trying to teach someone to play the guitar.

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    Right now, I would take Kirilenkoesque consistency when it comes to CJ Hayward's shooting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrone Torbin View Post
    His balance sucks. You can tell when he drives too, he just doesn't have the best body control.
    Quote Originally Posted by Qman View Post
    This. When he is on balance and with his feet set he is a pretty good shooter. He struggles with his footwork coming off screens and when a pass is poorly thrown. IMO fixing these problems would make him an average NBA shooter. But with the rest of his all around game would make him a pretty good player.
    Quote Originally Posted by candrew View Post
    Hayward has wildly inconsistent mechanics on his jump shot. He often does not jump straight up and down, when he shoots from the corner he always seems to be leaning towards the baseline. All bad habits that makes your shots sail instead of go straight.
    These. He leans back far too often on catch and shoots like he's trying to copy something from Dirk Nowitski's one footed shot. Predicting his misses from his posture is quite easy -- they hit the rim short in proportion to how far back he leans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by udflyer View Post
    I love absolutely everything about Hayward's game except his extreme inconsistency in shooting.

    It seemed as though when Ty had him run the 2nd unit for a few games, taking a lot of shots, most that he normally wouldn't take, he did OK. (About 50%)


    But as a 3rd/4th option his shooting is horrible. To the point I wonder how he got this far.

    He seems to do better with Tinsley at point for some reason.

    Anyway, I am just perplexed on what he will turn out to be ........

    I hope the kid turns it around
    IMO Everything points to him being better as a starter (or a 2nd/3rd option)


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    yes you can totally tell the difference on most of his shots, like the game winner compared to last night in nearly the same spot. My 8yr old is starting to see it as well and yells at the TV with me (probably not a good thing but it is funny) many of you could probably break it down much better but the easiest and really the starting point is his feet. When they are square, spaced (he usually keeps them way to close together) and set before he starts his jump for his shot the rest usually follows and those are the ones that go in more often then not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by udflyer View Post
    I love absolutely everything about Hayward's game except his extreme inconsistency in shooting.

    It seemed as though when Ty had him run the 2nd unit for a few games, taking a lot of shots, most that he normally wouldn't take, he did OK. (About 50%)


    But as a 3rd/4th option his shooting is horrible. To the point I wonder how he got this far.

    He seems to do better with Tinsley at point for some reason.

    Anyway, I am just perplexed on what he will turn out to be ........

    I hope the kid turns it around
    As Jope pointed out, Hayward is a much better shooter when he doesn't create his own shot. In the 4 games he was trying to be the "man" on the second unit, his percentages tanked and he became a turnover machine, all while his assist numbers did not increase.

    Until he becomes even an adequate driver (not likely), he's a lifetime 3rd option who will get most of his points opportunistically (breaks/guys finding him for jumpshots.)

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    He's playing the Shooting Guard position right now.

    We need him to play the Making Guard position.
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