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    Quote Originally Posted by sojodave View Post
    I think the low percentages are because of the offense(...errr the lack offense) that the Jazz are running this year. The Jazz look like they have no clue what they are trying to do on offense. I thought our offense looked more organized last year.
    This is exactly correct. You see it in the other numbers, too: 15th in Assists (up from 23rd before Tinsley took over); 24th Eff FG%; 18th TS%. There's one easy takeaway from this: We get very few easy shots every night (as opposed to Denver who had like 25 easy shots last night). We're beating teams with offensive rebounding and the break which makes our overall offensive efficiency look pretty good. But our halfcourt offense is awful.

    Fun factoid in case anyone was wondering: We currently rank 3rd in the NBA with 17.1 ppg on the break. Atlanta and Milwaukee are 1 and 2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dipship31 View Post
    The list of Jazzmen currently shooting at a career low FG%:

    -Burks
    -Evans
    -Favors
    -Foye
    -Hayward
    -Jefferson
    -Kanter
    -Millsap
    -Tinsley

    Obviously ones like Burks, Evans, and Kanter don't matter as much since their young and a small sample size, but still it's pretty unbelievable to think that these 9 players are currently shooting worse than they've ever shot in their careers. Throw in that we've played 9 road games to 6 home games and I'd say our 8-7 start is actually very impressive. If the law of averages kick in for a lot of these guys we could go on a nice little run.
    I think this is a good example of how pathetic our offense is. If we actually ran an NBA quality offense maybe these players could get good looks at the basket.
    Welcome aboard Snyder, Exum and Hood. Here is to hoping this season is more entertaining than the last 3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sojodave View Post
    I think the low percentages are because of the offense(...errr the lack offense) that the Jazz are running this year. The Jazz look like they have no clue what they are trying to do on offense. I thought our offense looked more organized last year.
    Saw this after my post. Great post.
    Welcome aboard Snyder, Exum and Hood. Here is to hoping this season is more entertaining than the last 3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NAOS View Post
    Jefferson got to the line and we gutted out a tough win. I'm enjoying things for a couple days.
    Too make it even better, I came within two feet of Millsap today in the human world. I'm high on jazz life ever since ( shameless homer & one upper noted).


    Quote Originally Posted by billyshelby View Post
    This is exactly correct. You see it in the other numbers, too: 15th in Assists (up from 23rd before Tinsley took over); 24th Eff FG%; 18th TS%. There's one easy takeaway from this: We get very few easy shots every night (as opposed to Denver who had like 25 easy shots last night). We're beating teams with offensive rebounding and the break which makes our overall offensive efficiency look pretty good. But our halfcourt offense is awful.

    Fun factoid in case anyone was wondering: We currently rank 3rd in the NBA with 17.1 ppg on the break. Atlanta and Milwaukee are 1 and 2.
    I respect your input a lot but can't wrap my mind around your constant m.o. aimed toward TyCo. Are there any actual specifics you'd like to see changed? The way I see it is the masses don't understand how hard the flex read-react is to implement, especially with zero continuity & no superior players. If Corbin has been The Chosen One to carry on the Sloan system then failure is on a nostalgic ownership. Corbin has most likely been shaking his head with the rest of us at how the players have responded.
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    Sounds like this team misses Captain Harris.

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    Last year Corbin didn't have time to change Jerry's offense due to the shortened season/lockout.

    This year he has finally put his touch on the offense, and it hasn't exactly been the midas touch. I understand wanting to open up the offense and take more 3's, but you have to do it within an offense. We need a better coach and a better system. I feel like we actually have enough pieces to be a really good team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeavenHarris View Post
    Sounds like this team misses Captain Harris.
    Oh gawd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAZZGASM View Post
    Last year Corbin didn't have time to change Jerry's offense due to the shortened season/lockout.

    This year he has finally put his touch on the offense, and it hasn't exactly been the midas touch. I understand wanting to open up the offense and take more 3's, but you have to do it within an offense. We need a better coach and a better system. I feel like we actually have enough pieces to be a really good team.
    I've actually always thought if Ty could just adapt most of Jerry's offensive scheme which usually was very good and just add the 3 point shot more often we'd be great. Of course Jerry was able to work with Stockton/Deron to run those offenses so we'd need a guy from that mold. Even if we had it though it looks more and more like Ty would be confused exactly how to use him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAZZGASM View Post
    Last year Corbin didn't have time to change Jerry's offense due to the shortened season/lockout.

    This year he has finally put his touch on the offense, and it hasn't exactly been the midas touch. I understand wanting to open up the offense and take more 3's, but you have to do it within an offense. We need a better coach and a better system. I feel like we actually have enough pieces to be a really good team.
    I've actually always thought if Ty could just adapt most of Jerry's offensive scheme which usually was very good and just add the 3 point shot more often we'd be great. Of course Jerry was able to work with Stockton/Deron to run those offenses so we'd need a guy from that mold. Even if we had it though it looks more and more like Ty would be confused exactly how to use him.

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    -Burks: Not playing and is still adjusting to the NBA game which is entirely different from what he did in college

    -Evans: Not playing and diddn't have Earl to lob it to him when he did

    -Favors: Probably trying more difficult shots as he expands his game. (15 footers and the like) Also he's being scouted more.

    -Foye: Learning a new system takes some time and throws your game off.

    -Hayward: He's probably being scouted a lot more than he was before.

    -Jefferson: He's passing out now more than he was before, though some would say that should improve his shot. Still, changing ones game can mess things up some.

    -Kanter: Definately being scouted more now, and he's shooting mid ranje jumpers now too.

    -Millsap: Can't answer this one other than trying to learn the 3 and maybe looking for number 1 too much.

    -Tinsley: Old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sojodave View Post
    I think the low percentages are because of the offense(...errr the lack offense) that the Jazz are running this year. The Jazz look like they have no clue what they are trying to do on offense. I thought our offense looked more organized last year.
    ....or it is due to practicing dunks instead of shooting....just like the rest of the NBA teams!

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    Quote Originally Posted by franklin View Post
    Too make it even better, I came within two feet of Millsap today in the human world. I'm high on jazz life ever since ( shameless homer & one upper noted).




    I respect your input a lot but can't wrap my mind around your constant m.o. aimed toward TyCo. Are there any actual specifics you'd like to see changed? The way I see it is the masses don't understand how hard the flex read-react is to implement, especially with zero continuity & no superior players. If Corbin has been The Chosen One to carry on the Sloan system then failure is on a nostalgic ownership. Corbin has most likely been shaking his head with the rest of us at how the players have responded.
    I could say a million things. The flex cuts never produce a shot so they're just convoluted ways to establish the post. When we do get in the post we're at 15 seconds. And once we're in the post we have no cutters. Ever. It's an ISO every time with only a single outlet pass while the other 3 guys are stationary on the opposite side.

    Our half court offense is YMCA simplistic. The offense is bad enough when the first sets don't work, it's hopeless when it has to reset. Ty is in over his head. He's not a Carlysle. He can't coach at this level. And it's showing night after night.

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    Fire^99! Eh, Franklin? Us Ty doubters are all a bunch of sour grapes!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pickledXgrandma View Post
    Ty had his off-season. How many more threes is Tinsley going to hit the rest of the year and save our poor offense? Why do you think Foye gets so many minutes? Because Tys praying he will make it rain from 3 land because Ty has absolutely no idea how to run an offense or a decent defense for that matter. Why do you think there is such a relation between our 3 pt shooting between our wins and losses?
    Hey guess what.

    There is a relationship for every single team in the NBA between 3pt shooting and wins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAZZGASM View Post
    Last year Corbin didn't have time to change Jerry's offense due to the shortened season/lockout.

    This year he has finally put his touch on the offense, and it hasn't exactly been the midas touch. I understand wanting to open up the offense and take more 3's, but you have to do it within an offense. We need a better coach and a better system. I feel like we actually have enough pieces to be a really good team.
    You're kidding right?

    Average team at best. No star player. ****ty backup PGs who stall the offense repeatedly with their pisspoor shots, and a bunch of youngin's who might turn into something. That's not a really good team.
    "Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed." - Dwight D. Eisenhower

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