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    West Memphis Three

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Memphis_Three


    Does anybody here know anything about this case? I would like to start a discussion on it.


    If so, have you seen the 3 HBO documentaries on this case and the mass Hollywood support these guys got?

    I believe these three men committed this crime. But for some reason millions do not. I have followed it for years, and cant see how people dont think they did it.

    I would like to see what everyone here thinks about this.

    I tried searching for it but no results, so I dont know if it has been discussed before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hack View Post
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Memphis_Three


    Does anybody here know anything about this case? I would like to start a discussion on it.


    If so, have you seen the 3 HBO documentaries on this case and the mass Hollywood support these guys got?

    I believe these three men committed this crime. But for some reason millions do not. I have followed it for years, and cant see how people dont think they did it.

    I would like to see what everyone here thinks about this.

    I tried searching for it but no results, so I dont know if it has been discussed before.
    I watched a 20/20 thing on it awhile back I think. Was it the kids that went riding their bikes and never came back or something? Fill me in.
    #lol

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    Well it would probably be better if you clicked the link, but here is a summary....

    Three young boys brutally murdered by these freaks. Were convicted and sent to jail. For whatever reason a bunch of people, including hollywood types believed they were innocent, so they fought to get them out of jail. It worked and now they are out of jail 18 years later. It disgusts me that they are free now and being portrayed as victims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hack View Post
    Well it would probably be better if you clicked the link, but here is a summary....

    Three young boys brutally murdered by these freaks. Were convicted and sent to jail. For whatever reason a bunch of people, including hollywood types believed they were innocent, so they fought to get them out of jail. It worked and now they are out of jail 18 years later. It disgusts me that they are free now and being portrayed as victims.
    What makes you think they're guilty? And it's not just "Hollywood Types" that believe they were innocent - it's thousands of people and legal scholars.

    When I saw the first documentary I thought Damien might be guilty. A lot of stuff didn't come out in the first doc about him like he spent time in mental institution, shared homicidal thoughts freely with doctors and claimed he was a vampire.

    But from day one I felt that Jason and the other kid were completely railroaded. It's chilling how they put Jason away for life for no other reason than guilt by association. All based on a forced confession from a borderline retarded teenager.

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    They were absolutely railroaded and had the misfortune of being tried by a bunch of hicks in Bible Belt USofA.

    There is no evidence whatsoever against them. No physical evidence, and the eyewitnesses that testified have either recanted or provided horribly unreliable testimony. Much like Chris Masters here in Colorado they were found guilty because a jury of their "peers" couldn't wait to fry them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by candrew View Post
    What makes you think they're guilty? And it's not just "Hollywood Types" that believe they were innocent - it's thousands of people and legal scholars.

    When I saw the first documentary I thought Damien might be guilty. A lot of stuff didn't come out in the first doc about him like he spent time in mental institution, shared homicidal thoughts freely with doctors and claimed he was a vampire.

    But from day one I felt that Jason and the other kid were completely railroaded. It's chilling how they put Jason away for life for no other reason than guilt by association. All based on a forced confession from a borderline retarded teenager.

    When I first saw the documentary I thought they were innocent too. I got really interested in it and I started searching the web for more information. I found a few websites dedicated to insisting they were guilty, and what I found out is that those documentaries are really misleading. These websites have every single piece of evidence that there is to be had on the case, including pictures and audio, from the crime scene and the court proceedings. It has all the testimonies and all that kind of stuff. All the stuff that was left out by those documentaries.

    Here are a few links you can check out.

    wm3truth.com

    callahan.8k.com

    http://www.westmemphisthreeguilty.co..._Contents.html


    After taking in as much as I could from all that, I did a complete 180 on how I felt about it. And for the life of me I cant figure out why so many people think they are innocent and why these Hollywood people insisted on getting them out. Their supporters are just completely misinformed and out of their freaking minds.

    The confession you speak of wasnt forced like people would have you believe. And the guy isnt retarded. Ill post a video of him and you can judge for yourself. The confession wasnt just once either. It happened on 5 different occasions, and the details the kid gives in his confession are just too much like what really happened for it not to be authentic. Nobody gives that kind of confession if they didnt commit the crime. The entire transcript and audio is available to hear and read. It wasnt forced and it wasnt made up.

    To what you said about Damien spending time in a mental institution and claiming he was a vampire is all true, and it gets a lot sicker and demented than that. Ill let you read some of that on your own if you want or I can post some of it later. Not enough time right now to get into all of it. We can get into it later, but just to get the ball rolling you should check out some of the stuff on those websites


    I brought this up because that sick documentary came on again and I went searching for new stuff and found some good youtube videos showing who Damien Echols
    is, and some of the lies he has been caught telling. These video arent major proof of guilt, but its enough to make you shake your head. It probably best to know all the characters and facts of the case before you watch, because they are kind of subtle. But Ill post them now and let you watch anyways. To me, Damien Echols is a sick and twisted, manipulating freak.

    This is a 3 part small video series not too long. Here is part 1


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    Part of Jessie Misskellie's confession


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nate505 View Post
    They were absolutely railroaded and had the misfortune of being tried by a bunch of hicks in Bible Belt USofA.

    There is no evidence whatsoever against them. No physical evidence, and the eyewitnesses that testified have either recanted or provided horribly unreliable testimony. Much like Chris Masters here in Colorado they were found guilty because a jury of their "peers" couldn't wait to fry them.
    Actually false. There is a lot of evidence against them. Including confessions.

    Dont believe the Hollywood B.S. check it out for yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hack View Post
    Actually false. There is a lot of evidence against them. Including confessions.

    Dont believe the Hollywood B.S. check it out for yourself.
    There is not. If there was any physical evidence they never would have got out. They did DNA tests on the crime scene and nothing was linked to the three.

    As for the testimony, the one kid who to be very generous was not bright, claimed they raped the boys yet no evidence of sexual assault was found. The other lady has since recanted her testimony. They were both extremely unreliable. So with no physical evidence and no reliable witnesses they have nothing.

    But by all means, spell out the evidence against them. And be a dear and at least summarize the evidence from the site that's essentially a propaganda site against them.

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    Jessie Misskelly was grilled by the police for 12 hours without his family or a lawyer. Only about 45 minutes of it was recorded or transcribed. The confession portion has many starts and stops where they coached him or corrected him as to what to say. It was also revealed that during the questioning the police hinted that Misskelly would be eligble for some of the reward money if he knew who the killer was. All this coupled with the fact that you're talking about a teenage boy with an IQ of 72 (under 70 is considered retarted).

    As for the rest of the stuff, half of it just proves that Damian Echols was a creepy and troubled kid; which he was and which is why he was arrested in the first place. The rest of it was just mundane nonsense. None of it was really that compelling or even comes close to proving his guilt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nate505 View Post
    There is not. If there was any physical evidence they never would have got out. They did DNA tests on the crime scene and nothing was linked to the three.

    As for the testimony, the one kid who to be very generous was not bright, claimed they raped the boys yet no evidence of sexual assault was found. The other lady has since recanted her testimony. They were both extremely unreliable. So with no physical evidence and no reliable witnesses they have nothing.

    But by all means, spell out the evidence against them. And be a dear and at least summarize the evidence from the site that's essentially a propaganda site against them.

    Ok. Ill get to it. It will take a little bit of time though.

    Those websites aren't propaganda websites either. It lays out every single piece of evidence step by step. Not just made up evidence either. The same evidence that a jury convicted them on. And the same evidence that those documentary makers conveniently left out. It's actual documents from the court. No there isnt mountains of physical evidence but plenty of other types of evidence that I believe proves their guilt.

    This isnt the case of a witch hunt. Its a case of justice was served but it got flipped on its head because some stupid ass people mistakenly took up for these guys and turned it into a money making real life drama to be sold. They used all their money, power and influence to to get what they want and convince millions that these kids were innocent when they are not.

    Like I said, I was on the other side at first. They got me too. But after hearing everything from the other side and not just what the one side wanted me to hear, I saw it in a whole different light.

    I would invite you to take a look at it for yourself. I can almost guarantee you will change your mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nate505 View Post
    There is not. If there was any physical evidence they never would have got out. They did DNA tests on the crime scene and nothing was linked to the three.

    As for the testimony, the one kid who to be very generous was not bright, claimed they raped the boys yet no evidence of sexual assault was found. The other lady has since recanted her testimony. They were both extremely unreliable. So with no physical evidence and no reliable witnesses they have nothing.

    But by all means, spell out the evidence against them. And be a dear and at least summarize the evidence from the site that's essentially a propaganda site against them.
    I would also invite you to watch those videos. There two young girls who testify that Echols bragged about the murders, and Echols himself doesnt deny ever saying it. He said he might have been joking around. Who the hell jokes around about that? So right there is basically a confession from the ring leader himself.

    I dont know how anyone dismisses the Jessie Misskellie confession either. Listen to the kid talk. Does that really sound like a retard they make him out to be? Its nonsense. He gave the confession because he was trying to save his own ass because he knew he did something wrong and Echols dragged him into it. Its obvious as hell. Jessie eventually recanted his 5 confessions because he knew he was now in deep **** and wasnt going to be getting off easy like he thought he would if he told the truth.

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    I looked over this site.

    http://wm3truth.com/jessie-misskelle...ths-and-facts/

    I'm not very impressed. For example, the author of the site admits there is a discrepancy between Misskelley's testimony about Echols raping the boys, yet there was no evidence of rape that occurred. Yet he writes it off as a "minor mystery." To me that's a massive discrepancy. If your star witness admits something so brutal occurred and it didn't occur (at least all the evidence shows it didn't occur) then that's a huge red flag to me.

    The best physical evidence they can come up with on the site is

    a) a possible ***** stain on one of the victim's pants. Yet there is no evidence of sexual assault on the bodies, and the stain didn't provide enough material to get a match or to even determine it was a stain (from the pro-guilty website)
    b) Three different types of knots used, therefore that points to three killers. While to me that explanation is spotty on its face, it's still no evidence that the three who tied the knots were the three convicted.
    c) Fibers on the victim's clothes matched fibers found at a couple of the accused residences. Though even the author admits the fibers are common materials that are found in many people's places of residence.
    d) Blood stains on the necklace of Echols matched both Echols and the type matched both a victim and one of the other defendants. Apparently the defense states they have proof that the co-defendent also wore the necklace at times. Regardless, this could be the best evidence they have, even though by itself it sucks since blood types are not all that defining. I can't find anything on what type of blood it was, but if it were say type B+ around 9% of the US has that type of blood.

    Even in that site the author states this:

    So it’s not true that there was “no physical evidence tying the defendants to the crime”. The physical evidence just wasn’t overwhelming. Just as importantly, there was no physical evidence tying any other suspects to the crime.

    IMO to say it's underwhelming is the understatement of the year. Certainly not remotely close to convicting someone of capital murder.

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