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    Quote Originally Posted by One Brow View Post
    Zimmerman did call the cops. The cops told Zimmerman that there was no need to follow Martin. Zimmerman followed Martin anyhow.
    I was talking about the hypothetical scenario where he doesn't get the gun, but yeah, I guess we should assume that everything else happened the same way before.

    Of course, race already is a huge part of this story, so it still would be had Martin pummeled him. Most of the stuff surrounding this story is spin, anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimLes View Post
    That would, of course, be a whole different story, though I'd still ask why Zimmerman felt the need to confront someone he thought "suspicious" instead of calling the cops.
    The cops had been called numerous times prior to this night's events with no positive results. Zimmerman's experience was that the cops never arrived until after the suspect(s) escaped.

    Again, the gun was not discharged until Zimmerman was physically assaulted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by franklin View Post
    I say you just get out of the way of these criminals gangs because the majority of them have no intentions of raping your daughter who they are standing between you and her room. They also don't want to be seen and will never incite violence when you catch them in their act of burglary. It's best you just hide under your bed until they are gone.
    I'd be very sad if the world I lived in was anything like the world you imagine us all living in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scat View Post
    The cops had been called numerous times prior to this night's events with no positive results. Zimmerman's experience was that the cops never arrived until after the suspect(s) escaped.

    Again, the gun was not discharged until Zimmerman was physically assaulted.
    Which doesn't change the fact that Zimmerman was playing vigilante. Just because the cops don't do anything, you don't have the right to mount your own investigation, decided who the suspect is, confront them, try to detain them, etc.

    Zimmerman did not catch Martin doing anything illegal.

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    If you dont want to get shot stay out of other peoples houses. Pretty simple. That being said I dont own a gun, because I'm tough as nails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scat View Post
    The cops had been called numerous times prior to this night's events with no positive results.
    You mean, no results outside of the actual burglar being arrested some 19 days before the shooting, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by One Brow View Post
    You mean, no results outside of the actual burglar being arrested some 19 days before the shooting, right?
    IIRC there were 3-4 suspects and only one was caught.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimLes View Post
    I'd be very sad if the world I lived in was anything like the world you imagine us all living in.
    No no I live in a utopia. All these recent news stories about children getting abducted out of their homes, raped, murdered & buried in a nearby field are all made up by the right wing media fear mongering us all into gun ownership because there are bogey men out there somewhere even though noone ever actually encounters any of them.

    You wouldn't believe it but every once in a while they create a rock star out of one of these supposed abductees and trot them in front of the camera for years to decades. This works so well that people are buying guns at an alarming rate and even dogs. I read the alarm companies are behind this media conspiracy because the more home invasions and abductions the more alarm systems they sell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by franklin View Post
    No no I live in a utopia. All these recent news stories about children getting abducted out of their homes, raped, murdered & buried in a nearby field are all made up by the right wing media fear mongering us all into gun ownership because there are bogey men out there somewhere even though noone ever actually encounters any of them.
    I'd point out the statistical likelihood of this happening, but I don't think you're interested in actually debating this.

    Also, real life isn't a video game. You don't just pull out your gun, blow away the baddies, then ride into the sunset and enter your 3 initials on the high score screen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scat View Post
    IIRC there were 3-4 suspects and only one was caught.
    So we ought to logically assume that at least one of the other three would return to the scene of the crime?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimLes View Post
    I'd point out the statistical likelihood of this happening, but I don't think you're interested in actually debating this.
    Believe me I'm very interested in how many occupied home invasions end in no harm. At what point do I say screw my family's security because statistically speaking this good natured fellow breaking into my house is unlikely to attack any of us? 20%? 15%? What is the security of my family worth to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by JimLes View Post
    Also, real life isn't a video game. You don't just pull out your gun, blow away the baddies, then ride into the sunset and enter your 3 initials on the high score screen.
    This is true. Us John Waynes usually drink until we pass out and wouldn't wake to a home intrusion. I'm counting on my wife loading and firing the gun. It's my way of dealing with any potential mental drama in advance. Got to think smart kid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JimLes View Post
    I'd be very sad if the world I lived in was anything like the world you imagine us all living in.
    What's really sad is that IS how the world is and you don't realize it.

    I support your right to be a pacifist. I would even go so far as to fight for your right to be a pacifist. What I wouldn't tolerate, however, is any attempt you might make to strip me of my right to defend myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by franklin View Post
    This is true. Us John Waynes usually drink until we pass out and wouldn't wake to a home intrusion. I'm counting on my wife loading and firing the gun. It's my way of dealing with any potential mental drama in advance. Got to think smart kid.
    Oh yes. Because, usually, the bad men who invade your home don't stop to think that you might be armed so they barge in making lots of noise and making sure you have plenty of time to wake up, load your gun, and blow them away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimLes View Post
    Oh yes. Because, usually, the bad men who invade your home don't stop to think that you might be armed so they barge in making lots of noise and making sure you have plenty of time to wake up, load your gun, and blow them away.
    Wake up and then load the gun? You mean wake up and pull the loaded gun out from under my pillow, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gameface View Post
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    I support your right to be a pacifist. I would even go so far as to fight for your right to be a pacifist. What I wouldn't tolerate, however, is any attempt you might make to strip me of my right to defend myself.
    Despite what Franklin is suggesting, I'm not against your right to defend yourself. I am all for you having the right to self-defense. Not something I would do, but I respect that you would. I don't, however, believe that one should equate their life(or their family's lives) with material possessions.

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