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    Quote Originally Posted by sgt.mac.1981 View Post
    It is not him as a player I have a problem with, although I do get frustrated with his lack of defense at times. It is the playing time that Favors and Kanter are missing out on. I don't believe anyone on Jazzfanz truely thinks Al is a terrible player, It is more frustration with the log jam in the front court.
    I'm all for the Utah Jazz, not jefferson, kanter or favors. And if we gave favors and kanter more mins, they would not be as productive as Al. Al is our best offensive player by far. He's basically unstoppable in a iso down low. Favors and kanter cannot create their own shot, they are not ready. It seems a lot of posters are more about developing players than trying to win...smh

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    Since we're all sharing, I actually think Jefferson is the most skilled offensive bigman in the league, and the only person that can stop Al Jefferson is himself. The problem is that he allows himself to be pushed out of the paint and settles for jumpshots. If he didn't settle and didn't allow himself to be bullied, he would be truly amazing offensively. He's also a decent passer for a bigman and is a solid rebounder even if he doesn't always boxout.

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    plus he's the only guy on our team that can command a double team!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiemD View Post
    plus he's the only guy on our team that can command a double team!
    Actually, Kanter commands a double team a ton. He just flounders when it comes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lenny Lennord View Post
    I'd rather not take that risk of resigning him because we all know that corbin will still be around unfortunately
    Sadly, you're likely correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catchall View Post
    Al is what he is, and he's still improving as a player. He's come a long way even since getting to Utah. I don't think the problem is Al directly. The first problem is that the Jazz are playing him at center when he really plays more like a PF. He doesn't play the pivot and likes to stay just outside the lane on both ends. The other problem is that Al should be a 2nd option on offense, but the Jazz don't have an elite scorer, so he becomes the first option, and the game slows down to let him operate. If Al were playing in LA with Kobe or playing in Miami with Lebron, he'd be a solid 2nd option to score in single coverage. He'd play a bit of pick and roll, he'd score from 8 - 10 feet, and everything would be fine. He'd basically be like Zach Randolph in Memphis. He wouldn't have to go down to the block and be option 1 on every other possession. However, the Jazz have no true first-option on offense and have to rely on Al. This is probably also why Al takes plays off on defense.

    On defense, he's not an elite defender, or even a good defender. He's okay in post coverage. But again, he's not really a center. If Favors is on the court, then Favors anchors the defense and we don't get torched. Now that Favors' offense is finally starting to come around, we can play Favors and Jefferson together and not really lose much if anything offensively by taking Millsap off the floor.

    Overall, I think people are just expecting too much from Al. You want a 20-10 guy who works hard on defense, plays in the flow of the game, scores efficiently, gets to the line, and doesn't really have any flaws. There just aren't many, or any, of those players in the league. If we had Blake Griffin, people would be complaining about his lack of offensive moves and lazy defense. Chris Bosh is still soft and doesn't defend or rebound all that well. Etc.
    this is about right, imo.

    seems like people wanna hate him because we don't have anything better. favors and kanter are not there yet, not even close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gyp Rosetti View Post
    Sadly, you're likely correct.
    From the observable evidence it seems very likely that both Corbs and Jeffs will be here beginning next season. Corbin has pretty solidly hitched his wagon to Al, was hired and extended by KOC, who was promoted by Greg, who himself was on the court getting involved in a T situation just a couple games ago. They want to build continuity and culture, and these are the guys they believe in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LiemD View Post
    A lot of hate on this board for big al and I have no reason why? Comparing him to boozer isn't right, he's better offensively and defensively. And he's by far our best player and has been for 2 years. Why does everyone want to trade him? We need to resign him! Are we too used to Malone that we want to trade every PF we get?
    boozer is a better rebounder, better offensive player.
    and the same defensivly
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    Quote Originally Posted by DutchJazzer View Post
    boozer is a better rebounder, better offensive player.
    and the same defensivly
    Boozer isn't as reliable a scorer as Jefferson imo. DWill made Boozer look better than he is by getting him the ball in the few spots he could score.
    The Jazz play like azz when the J ain't workin'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DutchJazzer View Post
    boozer is a better rebounder
    Only if you consider shouting like a threatened hippopotamus every time you snag a rebound better than good old quiet rebounding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DutchJazzer View Post
    boozer is a better rebounder, better offensive player.
    and the same defensivly
    I disagree. Boozer benefited a lot playing for Sloan and with DWill where he got unlimited opportunities to score. Just see how his PPG skyrocketed after joining Jazz and dropped after playing for Bulls. big AL on the other hand had his best PPG season not with Jazz and it was 2 pts/average more then Boozer. Individually in the low post big AL is much better offensive player then Boozer and it is not even close. But Boozer is better in pick and roll - thus depending more on good PG and right offensive system.
    And give me a break but there is no worse defensive player in NBA then Boozer. He is the worst big man defending in the paint - period.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LiemD View Post
    A lot of hate on this board for big al and I have no reason why? Comparing him to boozer isn't right, he's better offensively and defensively. And he's by far our best player and has been for 2 years. Why does everyone want to trade him? We need to resign him! Are we too used to Malone that we want to trade every PF we get?

    Don't you realize that Favors is the next Malone and Kanter is Dirk Nowitzki?

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    Most of us loves Al, but with him we know how far we can go and he would not improve his game anymore. He would convey us to a point, as he did last year, but thats not enough. We got talented young bigs and we need room for them and we impatiently waiting for how far we can go with them. Thats why most of us want him traded and i dont think its hating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LiemD View Post
    A lot of hate on this board for big al and I have no reason why? Comparing him to boozer isn't right, he's better offensively and defensively. And he's by far our best player and has been for 2 years. Why does everyone want to trade him? We need to resign him! Are we too used to Malone that we want to trade every PF we get?
    good thread. first of all, I'm not one of them, I actually think he saves jazz team's ass when the bench lacks success in offense. he is very talented as a post-move player. I won't list his down sides here at this topic, many know it all. but usually people hate him over his extra high salary, his defense, or him being a wall against the growth of favors and kanter. so if you'll play big al, you have to get rid of one or two of the other bigs. if you don't, you will not be able to make them better players and this will lead to team's capacity go down, or their trade value as well. but as a player, of course he is very good. and as a person, he is also better than most of the star players.
    David Locke: "Because what happens in this league is, people start shooting threes and they get soft and donít want contact and then they just stay out there all the time. Youíre not going to get soft, are you?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catchall View Post
    Boozer isn't as reliable a scorer as Jefferson imo. DWill made Boozer look better than he is by getting him the ball in the few spots he could score.
    corbin makes jefferson look better then he is by forcing every godd dammed single time down the floor in half court set to go through jefferson
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