I understand where you're coming from. I just wanted you to know that not all of us are anti gay marriage.Originally Posted by BabyPeterzz
I understand where you're coming from. I just wanted you to know that not all of us are anti gay marriage.
Honestly, many of my LDS friends are not against gay marriage.
I hate Candy Boye.
agree with this
the complications I see, and I'm not sure exactly what I think, other than the rights should be equally extended to all, are these (from real examples of folks I know)
a neighbor's wife passed away, leaving him to raise 4 young children. her sister (his sister-in-law) moved in to the home to take care of the kids, and run the household and essentially be the domestic partner (exept that they did not have an intimate relationship) - this situation went on for about 4 years until the sister married her boyfriend (at that point the kids were all in school full time and the dad hired an after-school nanny) Because they each filed individual tax returns, they paid considerably more than they would have paid if they had been able to file a joint return.
an elderly widowed lady moves in with her elderly bachelor brother, after 12 years he passes away leaving his entire estate to his sister and her kids - - she paid relatively high estate taxes because she was not able to take advantage of the estate tax exclusion that a married couple would have taken
It seems to me that it would only be fair for the folks in situations such as these to have the same rights, privileges and benefits as anyone else - - I don't think it should have to depend on what sort of intimate relations you may or may not be having
Would you rather the church change their doctrine to comply with your beliefs?
You're a cool guy, but whenever there is a thread about mormons, you're a whinny bitch. With that said, I still like you cause you give me 5 bucks once.
It can get confusing though after knowing some of the LDS posters on this site.
I know that I'm getting off topic here but what exactly is your understanding on the LDS church's stance on women?
"You're mother was a hamster and your father smelled of elderberries!"
they are Mormons so it has to be oppressive and some form of slavery right.
I knew it. Those dang Mormons....
"You're mother was a hamster and your father smelled of elderberries!"
Archie. I would hope the LDS Church would get on with it and stop treating gay people like 2nd class citizens, like they did with black people. If you consider human rights and equality a belief, then yes I think my side is more in line with Christ. But as always, just an opinion.
I am good and so are you. Dudes can disagree and still give them $5 to lose in poker while I get drunk.
I hate Candy Boye.
I think the LDS Church reinforces subservient roles amongst women. But hey, LDS women are ok with it and embrace it. I just disagree, that's all.
I hate Candy Boye.
In my experience this is a point of semantics. The official LDS position prefers civil contract language. IMO, what would help tremendously is if the First Presidency (or any other organization who could be viewed as a leader) actively promoted a libertarian view instead of promoting anti-Prop 8, etc. On the other hand, we have the family unit hangup that essentially prohibits LDS leadership from actively promoting a purely all equal stance as that would work to weaken the religious stance.
I wonder what the LDS response would be if the country adopted a civil contracts for all policy. Either way, the current political position is extremely mild and understandable. We may disagree with the religious aspects but we already have political freedom from those.
Well put.
I hate Candy Boye.
That is my soapbox. In the eyes of the gov't, that's all a "marriage" is anyway. Make every partnership equal.
Oh, and regarding the church and women, one small aspect anyway, they (the church) have been careful to acknowledge that some women will work outside the home, and that they're okay with that, but it has been slow to filter down to the local level - in my neck of the woods, at any rate.
Our Relief Society has had lessons devoted to women committing themselves to being mothers and homemakers. This, of course, leaves any mother who does work feeling inadequate/ashamed. My wife works. We have two sons, but they are in school most of the day, and my wife has absolutely no interest in being a "stay at home mom". I believe her follow up comment was something along the lines of "yeah, they can kiss my ass."
I know that this is more reflective of the local attitude than the position of the church itself, but it didn't appear out of thin air.
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