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    Quote Originally Posted by CAKAR View Post
    If you was an NBA Player yourŽe self, would you want to go through a paint which is protected by a 290 lb huge Big-Man like BIG-AL ?

    IŽ dont...
    if it was big al

    SURE.

    i would know that he will move out of the way
    01-21-2013
    I, HeavenHarris, hereby pledge to my fellow JFC'rs that I will no longer give out neg-reps. All it does is cause negative things, like fights, drama, bitching, ill will, bad feelings, etc.
    Love, not hate, is the answer bros and moes.

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    Al is the big pink elephant that no Jazz person wants to single out right now but when he is gone for good, they will all talk about how much better the movement is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Durrrr View Post
    Al is the big pink elephant that no Jazz person wants to single out right now but when he is gone for good, they will all talk about how much better the movement is.
    pink elephant = black hole?
    01-21-2013
    I, HeavenHarris, hereby pledge to my fellow JFC'rs that I will no longer give out neg-reps. All it does is cause negative things, like fights, drama, bitching, ill will, bad feelings, etc.
    Love, not hate, is the answer bros and moes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cope View Post
    See my 20 games - 10-10 topic. Corbin and this team IMO hasn't sucked due to a number of reasons. Only complaint of Corbin tonight is when Marvin was at the 4, you can get Burks more time.
    I think Corbs wanted to make absolutely sure he got crisp offense. Burks has had a tendency to get in the way of that. He did look good with what he got tonight I thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brown Notes View Post
    I think Corbs wanted to make absolutely sure he got crisp offense. Burks has had a tendency to get in the way of that. He did look good with what he got tonight I thought.
    your reasoning dont make sense
    if corbin cared about a crisp offense he would have benched big al
    01-21-2013
    I, HeavenHarris, hereby pledge to my fellow JFC'rs that I will no longer give out neg-reps. All it does is cause negative things, like fights, drama, bitching, ill will, bad feelings, etc.
    Love, not hate, is the answer bros and moes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DutchJazzer View Post
    your reasoning dont make sense
    if corbin cared about a crisp offense he would have benched big al
    Yes and every other team with a volume scorer would bench them as well. Great point guy. The challenge is to use your dominant scorer while keeping everybody else involved and using an actual offense.

    If you want to win ugly games you have to have a guy that creates offense by himself, if not two of them. We won the ugly game too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brown Notes View Post
    Yes and every other team with a volume scorer would bench them as well. Great point guy. The challenge is to use your dominant scorer while keeping everybody else involved and using an actual offense.
    a actual offense and keeping evryone involved renders big al useless as a dominant volume scorer.
    those things cannot co exist.
    if al does not get the ball because of ball movement. he wont score much.
    and still will suck on defense as a center.

    lack of defense from a point guard is acceptable but from a 30+ minutes a night starting center it is NOT.

    he needs to go for that reason alone.

    his passing might improve.
    but his lack of trying on defense. and inabilty to defend won't chance
    01-21-2013
    I, HeavenHarris, hereby pledge to my fellow JFC'rs that I will no longer give out neg-reps. All it does is cause negative things, like fights, drama, bitching, ill will, bad feelings, etc.
    Love, not hate, is the answer bros and moes.

    LOL Lol breaks his pledge 5 days later hahahaha

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brown Notes View Post
    It was a very timely win, fun and great to watch. Not an indictment of anybody though. Just another thought, where's the thread congratulating Corbs on winning huge without 2 key players? It cannot exist on JF.

    So, if part of enjoying the win is pushing an agenda, hey have a great time. If not, it can be just as fun.
    Not pushing an agenda, just reflecting on how nice it felt to have a change of pace, and put to bed the constant notion that broadcasters including 1280 peeps have that we need big Al to score.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cope View Post
    Yes I would... And completely expect an OLE like he does all the time.
    hahaha correct. There is difference between big man (Howard) and big man (Big Al). If Steve nash was a post player with current size, he would be a more scary guy for me than Big Al, at least i knew he would attempt to do something , like try to steal the ball maybe ?

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    Yes, because we won a game where we hit ~20 3s without Al, definitely means we don't need him.

    Or Favors for that matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DutchJazzer View Post
    a actual offense and keeping evryone involved renders big al useless as a dominant volume scorer.
    those things cannot co exist.
    if al does not get the ball because of ball movement. he wont score much.
    and still will suck on defense as a center.

    lack of defense from a point guard is acceptable but from a 30+ minutes a night starting center it is NOT.

    he needs to go for that reason alone.

    his passing might improve.
    but his lack of trying on defense. and inabilty to defend won't chance
    I agree with anything but the PG part. Remember we sucked in defense when Deron wasn't in mood to play defense back in the days. I think defense starts from perimeter, but of course big men create more of a Vulnerability. You can compensate lack of defense of PG with a shot blocker behind, but you cant compensate the Big Black Hole no matter how many good perimeter defenders you have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LunaticWolf View Post
    Yes, because we won a game where we hit ~20 3s without Al, definitely means we don't need him.

    Or Favors for that matter.
    We need Favors my friend, but not Big Al, i know it is sad but true story. Only thing we need from Big Al is getting 15 million salary cap room.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brown Notes View Post
    Maybe show a trend against teams that play defense. Just a thought. GLHF.
    Would love to see this team w/out Big Al playing against teams that are actually not 4/16.

    Quote Originally Posted by DutchJazzer View Post
    I would rather watch this team if they go 35-47 and miss the playoff.
    than a big al led team going 41-41 and getting swept by spurs
    yes. Big Al is a nice enough guy, but OMG, our team is so boring to watch with him on the floor. I think most Jazz fans are frothing at the mouth to see what we saw tonight. They want the young guys, Favors/Kanter playing and they want to see crisp passing with great defense (obviously the Raptors are 4/16 so it was easy tonight). I would love to see an AJ-less team playing against teams like the Thunder, Memphis, Spurs, etc.

    One thing about AJ is down the stretch he is pretty clutch (Sap is too, or at least has been) and you can always count on a bucket when one is needed, but the offense generally breaks down because of him, so it's dammed if you do and dammed if you don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by m3at View Post
    Would love to see this team w/out Big Al playing against teams that are actually not 4/16.
    Yep, or a team that is not 1-11 on the road playing against one of the most dominant home teams in the league.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sepanol View Post
    We need Favors my friend, but not Big Al, i know it is sad but true story. Only thing we need from Big Al is getting 15 million salary cap room.
    Yep, keep telling yourself that we our perimeter shots are not falling.
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