Given his fear of contact and post-game puss-outs, you actually believe this?Originally Posted by franklin
Given his fear of contact and post-game puss-outs, you actually believe this?
Does he avoid contact because he's not some fealess warrior or because he thinks his footwork makes him more efficient?
I dont know if they would be better or worse without big al.... i tend to think they would be a little worse, im with naos at about 44 wins.
What i do know is that they are 5-1 without him and that last nights game was more fun to watch than any other this season (for me at least).
Did you enjoy last nights game frank? Or were you just wishing al was out there the whole time?
Do you think we win by 30+ pts if al played last night?
It takes time for players to develop into consistently productive full-time players. So of course the Jazz would be worse off without Al in the short term. But as Favors and Kanter get accustomed to the bigger roles, and Millsap becomes more aggressive offensively, the Jazz should start getting better results. I'd say the Jazz would recover within the season. The Al proponents should keep something in mind, we're not talking about Lebron here. We're talking about a guy who can give you 18 ppg with poor defense. Favors, as raw as he is, can probably do 12 ppg with Al's minutes right away. How important are those 6 points, really? The fact that Al needs to go is very clear.
Favors also turns the ball over way more than Jeffersons does per possession, so take that into account also.
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True... and we could play that game all day...
Favors also alter more shots than al, and defends the pick and roll better, and goes to the line more often, and puts the other team in foul trouble better.
Jefferson passes better than favors, jefferson seems like the better teammate (as far as cheerleading and giving advice, pats on the butt etc etc.)
They both have good things and bad things.... The question asked was how much worse would the jazz be without Al in your opinion cyrone?
you guys are nuts to think we would be worse without Jefferson.In fact thats exactly what this team needs .Al is good but we give up so many points, that is the reason we cant win on the road,we stink on defense.Our offense is a stand around ymca offense that barely beats bad teams only because Jeffie is gifted on the offensive end.If we are serious about the better plan for this team,Jeffie is not and never has been the answer.this team would easily be better without him.Jeffie seen how much we didnt need him last night and thats why he is getting back on the court before Corbin accidently figures it out that we dont need him.
Hard to say. I would think at least 8 games worse.
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Good answer. And probably about right.
If we were to get a good PG for Al, then we are better immediately. This team would fight for home court this year.
(first update) Offseason to-do list:
(no order)
1. Let Mo, Foyeeee3, Al (s&t?), Watson, and Tinsley go.
2. Re-sign Carroll
3. Draft McCollum, Schroeder, and Giannis (leave the latter two in Europe for a year [maybe two years for Giannis]).
4. Sign Tony Allen
5. Try to keep Millsap. If that doesn't work, explore s&t options.
6. Remove Corbin. Hire Brad Stevens or SVG.
7. Sign Calderon to a one-year (2 max) deal, or see if the cash-strapped Lakers will let us absorb Nash's last year.
I think like siromar said, we would be better without him eventually, but i do believe that we would see a drop off in the short term.
IMO this year should be a year that the jazz build and develop the future of the team because we are not going to be special this year.
Since he doesn't always spin away from the basket/contact, I'd guess it's because he's not a fearless warrior.
I doubt we could get anyone better than Mo Williams for Al Jefferson.
Kind of the bad thing about this team. It seems like most trades we could make would only be lateral moves. Seems like it might just be better to let everyone expire and try to get a big name in FA.
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I agree.... i think that we should let him expire as well and in the meantime decrease his minutes somewhat and increase the youngs bigs minutes somewhat.
Another PG the quality of Mo would be awesome. I'd stand by my previous statement with two Mos and zero Als.... especially if the second Mo had the first Mo's heart and leadership.
(first update) Offseason to-do list:
(no order)
1. Let Mo, Foyeeee3, Al (s&t?), Watson, and Tinsley go.
2. Re-sign Carroll
3. Draft McCollum, Schroeder, and Giannis (leave the latter two in Europe for a year [maybe two years for Giannis]).
4. Sign Tony Allen
5. Try to keep Millsap. If that doesn't work, explore s&t options.
6. Remove Corbin. Hire Brad Stevens or SVG.
7. Sign Calderon to a one-year (2 max) deal, or see if the cash-strapped Lakers will let us absorb Nash's last year.
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