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    Quote Originally Posted by mellow View Post
    Sadly, in my dream there was no depth chart. But Mo was there if that means anything.
    That's okay .. depth charts always evolve with on-the-court hustle and defense .. oh wait...........
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    i am not a bledsoe fan, ill admit it. i think he is very one dementional. the kid can drive, thats for sure. he gets to the paint. his shooting % out side of the paint is terrible, and he has got to have one of the ugliest shots ive ever seen, it looks like charles barkleys golf swing.. he looks like he might be more suited as slasher SG... idk though just my opinion.
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    We must get Bledsoe before the rest of the NBA finds out...


    He's on my fantasy team and for the minutes he plays he sure is dynamite!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zulu View Post
    We must get Bledsoe before the rest of the NBA finds out...


    He's on my fantasy team and for the minutes he plays he sure is dynamite!!!
    Damnit Zulu !!!

    OTHER NBA teams read this board!
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    I think Bledsoe forecasts to be a very good player in the future. He seems like the kind of guy who will do whatever to improve and with his "Lil' Bron" which is his nickname athleticism, he could end up being a stud. But trust me the league is watching the CP3 thing closely.. if CP3 resigns Bledsoe will quickly become a hot commodity this off season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PKM View Post
    Damnit Zulu !!!

    OTHER NBA teams read this board!
    I realize you're kidding, but I wouldn't be surprised if scouts started tracking my fantasy team to get a leg up on who the next years break out players are going to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackham9258 View Post
    I think Bledsoe forecasts to be a very good player in the future. He seems like the kind of guy who will do whatever to improve and with his "Lil' Bron" which is his nickname athleticism, he could end up being a stud. But trust me the league is watching the CP3 thing closely.. if CP3 resigns Bledsoe will quickly become a hot commodity this off season.
    Agree with all that ..
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    We are excited about a pg that can't shoot the three or pass the ball...

    ummm...

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    So much of what a GM does (and thats what we are trying to do on these forums) is forecasting what I guy will become with practice and time. Some guys have low ceilings because of their size or athleticism or shot/handle/intangibles etc. But when you have all world athleticism that can't be matched, a defensive tenacity, and you are a hard worker with no noticeable flaws in your stroke you will become a better shooter. Remember Tony Parker used to not be a shooter... but when you looked at his shot he had good mechanics and tremendous athleticism so you knew he would pick it up with practice and dedication.

    Ronnie Brewer is on the other end of the scale... he will work and work and work but will likely never become a shooter because of his flawed mechanics. On the athleticism front you can be Jimmer and a great shooter and diver in college but can you do that on the pro level against great athletes????

    Living in an NFL city teams all the time find gems in small schools because they are looking at talent in a different way. They forecast combine results based on athleticism and then assess career, competition etc. For example the Chiefs drafted Jared Allen from Idaho State... he became a stud DE but he had a story... he was a top recruit but grades and knucklehead stuff prevented him from going to Florida or some place like that, so when we picked him up in the 4th round we got a steal.

    Back to Bledsoe: He was a top recruit from his HS class, and at one point was one of the top recruits to declare for UK and was supposed to be the starter, but then Callipari got greedy and signed John Wall, and that relegated Bledsoe to second PG status... yet he was still good enough to go 18 even though in his Freshman year he had to share the ball with John Wall, Demarcus Cousins and others.

    He forecasts to be a little bit of a later bloomer. I think he will sign a 4/32M deal with someone next summer after the trade and that team might have a stud young PG on their hands for $3-$4M less than Ty Lawson, Jrue Holiday etc type player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by green View Post
    We are excited about a pg that can't shoot the three or pass the ball...

    ummm...

    Maybe he can learn?..... or maybe not

    Edit: just read blackhams post.... he explains quite well why we might be excited for bledsoe despite the flaws you mentioned

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackham9258 View Post
    So much of what a GM does (and thats what we are trying to do on these forums) is forecasting what I guy will become with practice and time. Some guys have low ceilings because of their size or athleticism or shot/handle/intangibles etc. But when you have all world athleticism that can't be matched, a defensive tenacity, and you are a hard worker with no noticeable flaws in your stroke you will become a better shooter. Remember Tony Parker used to not be a shooter... but when you looked at his shot he had good mechanics and tremendous athleticism so you knew he would pick it up with practice and dedication.

    Ronnie Brewer is on the other end of the scale... he will work and work and work but will likely never become a shooter because of his flawed mechanics. On the athleticism front you can be Jimmer and a great shooter and diver in college but can you do that on the pro level against great athletes????

    Living in an NFL city teams all the time find gems in small schools because they are looking at talent in a different way. They forecast combine results based on athleticism and then assess career, competition etc. For example the Chiefs drafted Jared Allen from Idaho State... he became a stud DE but he had a story... he was a top recruit but grades and knucklehead stuff prevented him from going to Florida or some place like that, so when we picked him up in the 4th round we got a steal.

    Back to Bledsoe: He was a top recruit from his HS class, and at one point was one of the top recruits to declare for UK and was supposed to be the starter, but then Callipari got greedy and signed John Wall, and that relegated Bledsoe to second PG status... yet he was still good enough to go 18 even though in his Freshman year he had to share the ball with John Wall, Demarcus Cousins and others.

    He forecasts to be a little bit of a later bloomer. I think he will sign a 4/32M deal with someone next summer after the trade and that team might have a stud young PG on their hands for $3-$4M less than Ty Lawson, Jrue Holiday etc type player.
    Some major UK false in this post, but overall pretty good.
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    A couple of years ago I saw Memphis pay $9M per to Mike Conly and I thought that was crazy because he hadn't done a ton I thought to deserve that. But yet he is averaging 14.4 ppg, on 46% shooting, 44% from 3 and he could score and do more if he didn't have such a talented offensive team. He is now a steal. It all boils down to what are you looking for? Does he fit your personality culture? Does he fit your style of player, work ethic etc? What does he forecast to become in 2-4 years and what do you need him for?

    Bledsoe to me will always be a defensive stopper and a get to the rim guy. In a league dominated by athletic PG's who we have to beat to get anywhere: Westbrook, CP3, Parker, Lillard, Lawson, Curry, Rubio etc> I want a PG who keeps up and makes them work... and if I know he has a work ethic and a chip on his shoulder that his former UK teammate gets all the publicity don't you think his best revenge is to become the better player? I think Bledsoe is the type to improve his shooting every year, and give you max effort, defense and athleticism that make your perimeter D amazing.

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    The Eric Bledsoe Countdown
    By: Jonathan Tjarks (Over at RealGM)
    Dec 07, 2012 3:06 PM EST

    This is a great article over at RealGM. I especially like the point about his wingspan... he is a freak athlete.

    No player in the NBA has made a bigger leap this season than Eric Bledsoe, the Clippers third-year guard who has been dubbed “Mini-LeBron.”

    However, his improvement has been somewhat hidden by Vinny Del Negro’s bizarre substitution patterns as well as a Los Angeles Clippers' team that goes 10 deep even without Chauncey Billups and Grant Hill. Bledsoe averages a little under 20 minutes a game, but in that time, he’s playing like a future All-Star. As a result, the Clippers could soon be faced with a salary-crunch situation similar to what happened with James Harden and Oklahoma City.

    Despite being a five-star recruit coming out of high school, the uber-athletic Bledsoe has slipped under the national radar for most of his career. He was only the third biggest recruit in John Calipari’s first season at Kentucky, behind John Wall and DeMarcus Cousins. Once he got to Lexington, he was a clear No. 4 in the team’s pecking order after Wall, Cousins and Patrick Patterson, all of whom went in the lottery.

    Bledsoe averaged 11 points, three rebounds and three steals on 46/38/67 shooting; respectable numbers for a freshman, but not enough to indicate he could transition immediately to the next level. Many were surprised when he declared for the 2010 NBA Draft, where he wound up falling all the way to the No. 18 overall pick, which the Clippers acquired from the Thunder in a draft-day deal. Nor did he walk into an ideal situation with the Clippers: thrust into a starting role as a rookie after the Baron Davis trade, then having his minutes cut significantly in his second year with three veteran PG’s -- Billups, Chris Paul and Mo Williams -- ahead of him.

    The talent, though, was always there. At 6’1 195, Bledsoe is a eye-popping bundle of fast-twitch muscles who is almost impossible to stay in front of, especially in the open-court. Just as importantly, he has a monstrous 6’7.5 wingspan, which allows him to play much bigger than his size. So even though he has the height of a pure PG, his length and athleticism allows him to play as a SG, which he did at Kentucky.

    This season, his skill level has begun to catch up with his athletic ability. He has always been lethal around the rim, but he has more confidence in his jumper this year, allowing him to finish on pull-up shots and be more effective from the charity stripe. He’s gone from shooting 39% from the floor to 50%, 64% from the foul-line to 79% and more than doubled his number of free throw attempts. While he still struggles with long two pointers, he’s improved his three-point shot (from 20% to 33%) and become more adept at attacking open spots on the floor instead of settling for jumpers.

    Improving his offensive efficiency has made him a stunningly productive player. Now that he has a functional jumper, there are no real holes in his game. Despite spending a lot of floor time with Ronny Turiaf and Lamar Odom, Bledsoe is averaging 2.7 assists on 1.8 turnovers. Like Dwyane Wade, another undersized guard who uses an oversized wingspan to impact the game in a myriad ways, Bledsoe also rebounds (2.8), blocks shots (0.7) and picks up steals (1.5). Per-36 minutes, he’s averaging 19 points, five rebounds, five assists, three steals and 1.5 blocks. That’s good for a PER of 22.4, the second-best on the Clippers, behind only Paul.

    And while it’s easy to dismiss those numbers as mere projections, for the most part, per-36 averages do a good job of estimating what a player would do with more playing time. If anything, Bledsoe’s numbers are understated, because he often shares the backcourt with Jamal Crawford, a ball-dominant player who makes Bledsoe spot up in the corner, the weakest part of his game. Like most young PG’s, he would struggle with turnovers if given the chance to dominate the ball for 35+ minutes a night, but he’s more than earned the opportunity to do so and grow from the mistakes he makes.

    Unfortunately, that’s unlikely to occur with the Clippers. Del Negro isn’t a very flexible coach when it comes to player’s roles: he likes to have a “1” and a “2” on the court at all times. That’s why, even with Billups out and Crawford coming off the bench as a sixth-man, he’s been giving Willie Green 20+ minutes a night as the starting SG. That, in turn, severely limits the number of minutes Bledsoe can play, since Paul receives the vast majority of time at PG. So even though Bledsoe can handle the vast majority of NBA shooting guards defensively, he receives about as much playing time as Green, who has a PER of 10.8. It’s basketball malpractice, plain and simple.

    On a side note, this is why I’ve always preferred Deron Williams to Paul, despite Paul’s superior statistics. Even a coach as unimaginative as Del Negro would slide Williams (6’3 210 with a 6’6 wingspan) to the shooting guard position in order to free up minutes for Bledsoe. The importance of lineup flexibility is severely underrated by most fans and analysts: would you rather have a backcourt of Paul and Green or Bledsoe and Williams? After all, how can Paul make a player better if the guy can’t play with him?

    Paul is only 27 years old and is line to get a max contract at the end of the season. When you add that to Blake Griffin’s max deal, DeAndre Jordan’s $10 million a year contract as well as all the money given to the veterans they’ve added to their bench, the Clippers payroll is set to explode. Donald Sterling has opened up his wallet in recent years, but with the punitive luxury tax penalties in the new CBA, is he really going to want to give another big contract to a guy getting 20 minutes a night? Bledsoe will be a restricted FA in 2014, and if I’m a team with cap space, he’s at the top of my priority list.

    Last summer, I caused a bit of a stir when I asked Russell Westbrook whether he thought Harden, soon to be an RFA, was a max player at a press conference. Many people looked at his per-game statistics and thought I was crazy, but if you looked at his per-36 averages, you knew he was in line to break out if given a bigger opportunity. I was saying that as far back as 2011, when I dubbed Harden (five years, $80 million), Ty Lawson (four years, $48 million) and Jrue Holiday (four years, $41 million) as three of the NBA’s most underrated players. Lawson and Holiday’s contracts are near the floor of what Bledsoe could make on the open market.

    Since the moment he came to Los Angeles, rumors have flown about Paul’s impending free agency. However, as a superstar in a big market with elite talent around him, there isn’t much of a reason for him to leave. And while established stars get the page views, the best bet in free agency for franchises not located on South Beach, Madison Avenue or Ventura Boulevard is a young player with the talent to be one who just needs an opportunity. If the Clippers aren’t going to clear out money and minutes for Eric Bledsoe, someone else should.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackham9258 View Post
    The Eric Bledsoe Countdown
    By: Jonathan Tjarks (Over at RealGM)
    Dec 07, 2012 3:06 PM EST

    This is a great article over at RealGM. I especially like the point about his wingspan... he is a freak athlete.

    No player in the NBA has made a bigger leap this season than Eric Bledsoe, the Clippers third-year guard who has been dubbed “Mini-LeBron.”

    However, his improvement has been somewhat hidden by Vinny Del Negro’s bizarre substitution patterns as well as a Los Angeles Clippers' team that goes 10 deep even without Chauncey Billups and Grant Hill. Bledsoe averages a little under 20 minutes a game, but in that time, he’s playing like a future All-Star. As a result, the Clippers could soon be faced with a salary-crunch situation similar to what happened with James Harden and Oklahoma City.

    Despite being a five-star recruit coming out of high school, the uber-athletic Bledsoe has slipped under the national radar for most of his career. He was only the third biggest recruit in John Calipari’s first season at Kentucky, behind John Wall and DeMarcus Cousins. Once he got to Lexington, he was a clear No. 4 in the team’s pecking order after Wall, Cousins and Patrick Patterson, all of whom went in the lottery.

    Bledsoe averaged 11 points, three rebounds and three steals on 46/38/67 shooting; respectable numbers for a freshman, but not enough to indicate he could transition immediately to the next level. Many were surprised when he declared for the 2010 NBA Draft, where he wound up falling all the way to the No. 18 overall pick, which the Clippers acquired from the Thunder in a draft-day deal. Nor did he walk into an ideal situation with the Clippers: thrust into a starting role as a rookie after the Baron Davis trade, then having his minutes cut significantly in his second year with three veteran PG’s -- Billups, Chris Paul and Mo Williams -- ahead of him.

    The talent, though, was always there. At 6’1 195, Bledsoe is a eye-popping bundle of fast-twitch muscles who is almost impossible to stay in front of, especially in the open-court. Just as importantly, he has a monstrous 6’7.5 wingspan, which allows him to play much bigger than his size. So even though he has the height of a pure PG, his length and athleticism allows him to play as a SG, which he did at Kentucky.

    This season, his skill level has begun to catch up with his athletic ability. He has always been lethal around the rim, but he has more confidence in his jumper this year, allowing him to finish on pull-up shots and be more effective from the charity stripe. He’s gone from shooting 39% from the floor to 50%, 64% from the foul-line to 79% and more than doubled his number of free throw attempts. While he still struggles with long two pointers, he’s improved his three-point shot (from 20% to 33%) and become more adept at attacking open spots on the floor instead of settling for jumpers.

    Improving his offensive efficiency has made him a stunningly productive player. Now that he has a functional jumper, there are no real holes in his game. Despite spending a lot of floor time with Ronny Turiaf and Lamar Odom, Bledsoe is averaging 2.7 assists on 1.8 turnovers. Like Dwyane Wade, another undersized guard who uses an oversized wingspan to impact the game in a myriad ways, Bledsoe also rebounds (2.8), blocks shots (0.7) and picks up steals (1.5). Per-36 minutes, he’s averaging 19 points, five rebounds, five assists, three steals and 1.5 blocks. That’s good for a PER of 22.4, the second-best on the Clippers, behind only Paul.

    And while it’s easy to dismiss those numbers as mere projections, for the most part, per-36 averages do a good job of estimating what a player would do with more playing time. If anything, Bledsoe’s numbers are understated, because he often shares the backcourt with Jamal Crawford, a ball-dominant player who makes Bledsoe spot up in the corner, the weakest part of his game. Like most young PG’s, he would struggle with turnovers if given the chance to dominate the ball for 35+ minutes a night, but he’s more than earned the opportunity to do so and grow from the mistakes he makes.

    Unfortunately, that’s unlikely to occur with the Clippers. Del Negro isn’t a very flexible coach when it comes to player’s roles: he likes to have a “1” and a “2” on the court at all times. That’s why, even with Billups out and Crawford coming off the bench as a sixth-man, he’s been giving Willie Green 20+ minutes a night as the starting SG. That, in turn, severely limits the number of minutes Bledsoe can play, since Paul receives the vast majority of time at PG. So even though Bledsoe can handle the vast majority of NBA shooting guards defensively, he receives about as much playing time as Green, who has a PER of 10.8. It’s basketball malpractice, plain and simple.

    On a side note, this is why I’ve always preferred Deron Williams to Paul, despite Paul’s superior statistics. Even a coach as unimaginative as Del Negro would slide Williams (6’3 210 with a 6’6 wingspan) to the shooting guard position in order to free up minutes for Bledsoe. The importance of lineup flexibility is severely underrated by most fans and analysts: would you rather have a backcourt of Paul and Green or Bledsoe and Williams? After all, how can Paul make a player better if the guy can’t play with him?

    Paul is only 27 years old and is line to get a max contract at the end of the season. When you add that to Blake Griffin’s max deal, DeAndre Jordan’s $10 million a year contract as well as all the money given to the veterans they’ve added to their bench, the Clippers payroll is set to explode. Donald Sterling has opened up his wallet in recent years, but with the punitive luxury tax penalties in the new CBA, is he really going to want to give another big contract to a guy getting 20 minutes a night? Bledsoe will be a restricted FA in 2014, and if I’m a team with cap space, he’s at the top of my priority list.

    Last summer, I caused a bit of a stir when I asked Russell Westbrook whether he thought Harden, soon to be an RFA, was a max player at a press conference. Many people looked at his per-game statistics and thought I was crazy, but if you looked at his per-36 averages, you knew he was in line to break out if given a bigger opportunity. I was saying that as far back as 2011, when I dubbed Harden (five years, $80 million), Ty Lawson (four years, $48 million) and Jrue Holiday (four years, $41 million) as three of the NBA’s most underrated players. Lawson and Holiday’s contracts are near the floor of what Bledsoe could make on the open market.

    Since the moment he came to Los Angeles, rumors have flown about Paul’s impending free agency. However, as a superstar in a big market with elite talent around him, there isn’t much of a reason for him to leave. And while established stars get the page views, the best bet in free agency for franchises not located on South Beach, Madison Avenue or Ventura Boulevard is a young player with the talent to be one who just needs an opportunity. If the Clippers aren’t going to clear out money and minutes for Eric Bledsoe, someone else should.
    So what are you trying to say???
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    Quote Originally Posted by PKM View Post
    Damnit Zulu !!!

    OTHER NBA teams read this board!
    Seriously.... Did I just skrew this up for us????
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