Gun Control

[DutchJazzer]

giving teachers guns is not the answer, unless you got the time to teach these teacher hwo to use them properly

[DutchJazzer]

why are we evenhaving this discusion.

GUNS ARE GOOD.

PSYCHOS BAD.


BAN PSYCHOS


/TRHEAD

[leftyjace]

Look, we can debate gun control and all that, but suggesting we'd be better off if absolutely everyone was armed seems like trolling.

I'm confused. Not taking a stance here, but where did he say we'd be better off if absolutely everyone was armed?

I think he just said to make it so there weren't gun-free zones and to legalize weapons. That's completely different. He's not advocating being armed if you don't want to be armed. He's just saying you should have that option if you desire. For you, it's obvious you don't want that option, and that's fine. He's not disagreeing with you.

Look, I know Silencer can be abrasive at times, but I don't understand your vitrol.

[leftyjace]

http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/...useronline.pdf

Did anybody else actually read this?

Nice find, Duck. A very interesting read.

[DutchJazzer]

also GUN FREE ZONES should be BANNED

[JimLes]

I think he just said to make it so there weren't gun-free zones and to legalize weapons. That's completely different. He's not advocating being armed if you don't want to be armed. He's just saying you should have that option if you desire. For you, it's obvious you don't want that option, and that's fine. He's not disagreeing with you.

He's suggesting that schools be a free-for-all as far as guns go. A school! Again, I'm not talking here as pro-gun or anti-gun, I'm talking as a teacher. I can't buy enough pens because they constantly go missing and he expects a gun not to fall into kids' hands.

[DutchJazzer]

He's suggesting that schools be a free-for-all as far as guns go. A school! Again, I'm not talking here as pro-gun or anti-gun, I'm talking as a teacher. I can't buy enough pens because they constantly go missing and he expects a gun not to fall into kids' hands.

look depending on how you carry your gun.
responsible gun carrying it would never ever ever go missing.
it will always be at once side from the moment you get out of bed till the moment you go to sleep. your gun has to be always be by your side.
it needs to be an extension of yourself.

that imho is how you "carry" a gun.
it being an extension of yourself, withouth it you feel naked.

with that said 98% of the population does not have that dedication.

with that being said such a person is a law abiding citizen. i know a couple of guys like that.
they are law abiding citizen. they wont go in gun free zones or go but feel uncomfortable/naked.

if you got 1 of 2 school officials who are like that i dont see why they are not allowed to carry.
or at university some of those students.

making it a free for all every teachers gets a gun. does not solve the problem

[Bronco70]

We have already tried the "figure out and help mental health issues" approach. (There are more people on paxil, prozac, zanex, etc etc, and also more people seeing psychiatrists/counselors than ever before).

I disagree that loading people with issues up on antidepressants is "figuring out and helping mental health issues". That's just the modern day version of institutionalizing them. Besides, the issue (in cases like we're discussing) do not start with a disgruntled person. They start with the circumstances that lead to alienation, disenfranchisement, resentment, and ultimately rage. Throw in a media culture that glorifies violence, and it's only a matter of time.

IMO, if we simply started treating each other better incidents like this would nearly cease.

[bigb]

Perhaps we should pass a law that all kids should be home schooled which would eliminate school shootings with a 100% success rate.

Come on bro, think about that for a second. If every kid is home schooled, that means every home with a kid is a school. Whenever somebody is killed with a gun in a home that a child lives in, it would be a school shooting. Nice try, though.

[fishonjazz]

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Damn frank, how did you do that? are you magic?

[fishonjazz]

Sigh. This isn't about gun control. This is about sick individuals using said guns to commit crimes. There are many stories of people using knives and other weapons to kill 20+ people. Should we ban those, as well? While we're at it, just ban absolutely everything that could be used as a weapon.

The difference is that a guns ONLY purpose is weapon, banning knives would mean no more cutting meat, or spreading butter on bread, or box cutters, etc etc.
Banning guns would just mean no more shooting.
(of course its already been established that there are too many guns already in america to get rid of them.)
The whole reason guns exist is for killing..... knives have other purposes besides killing.

[fishonjazz]

Yeah it is a little odd, but definitely legal.... and rightfully so.
It is a senseless tragedy, but gun control does nothing to stop these acts of violence.
The only real answer is to get rid of these gun free zones, so teachers and school officials can act fast in order to save lives.

Ya lets get more guns around kids... great idea. Then what happens when a teacher who is making 30,000 per year and struggling to make ends meet, who just found out his wife is cheating on him and is now going throw a divorce and losing his kids and has to pay child support and alimony and possibly stops taking the prozac due to all the stress..... would you be ok with this teacher having a gun around your child? I wouldnt

[fishonjazz]

No, I actually think that the solution to a crazed madman shooting randomly in my classroom is for me to pull out a bigger, badder gun, and also start shooting randomly. Good grief, do you read what you write?

I'm a teacher. I teach. That's what I do. I don't have guns training, and I hardly think the Faculty of Teaching would provide me with any. I also don't think that even you're suggesting that I walk around with a loaded gun while teaching, so presumably I'd have to get the gun, remove the safety(unless you actually want the gun with the safety off in my drawer where the first kid who gets a chance WILL steal it), then turn it on the bad dude.

Now, at this point, the bad dude has had some time to shoot. He doesn't exactly announce himself and chivalrously allow me time to draw my gun. He's probably shot me first if he's got any sense, and he probably does as they plan these things in advance. If he somehow hasn't, he's shot some kids and created enough panic among the rest that I'm much more likely to hit a kid(you know, 30 of them, but one bad dude) than I am to hit him. He's also probably got some sort of an assault rifle, and as was the case with the Joker guy, body armour. I have a clip holding 6 bullets. Unless I am running some sort of an aim-bot, I don't like my odds. Either way, the headlines tomorrow are either "Brave teacher dies in a pointless gunfight with a madman" or "Madman shoots 6 kids. Brave teacher shoots him. Also shoots 5 kids himself."

Look, we can debate gun control and all that, but suggesting we'd be better off if absolutely everyone was armed seems like trolling.

Having teachers carry guns in our schools around our children is the dumbest idea to come from all of this... Complete stupidity

[DutchJazzer]

Banning guns would just mean no more shooting.

Good cus history proved:

Banning Alcohol would just mean no more Drinking.
Banning Mariuhana would just mean no more Smoking.
Banning Cocaine Would just mean no more Sniffing.
Banning Murder would just mean no more murdering.
Banning child pornography means no more Sex with children.
Banning Beastilaty means no more sex with animals.
Banning terrorism means no more terror.



yeah as history proves BANNING the symptom of something really works.


When will we learn to attack the cause of something not the symptoms



edit not that I compare pedophelia with alcohol drinking(just used some examples of banned stuff)

[fishonjazz]

I disagree that loading people with issues up on antidepressants is "figuring out and helping mental health issues". That's just the modern day version of institutionalizing them. Besides, the issue (in cases like we're discussing) do not start with a disgruntled person. They start with the circumstances that lead to alienation, disenfranchisement, resentment, and ultimately rage. Throw in a media culture that glorifies violence, and it's only a matter of time.

IMO, if we simply started treating each other better incidents like this would nearly cease.

You must have missed the part where i said more people are also getting counseling than ever before.... so if counseling and drugs dont work for mental illness, then what do you suggest?