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    Quote Originally Posted by HipHopAnonymous View Post
    Well TP. That's a basic need. So a trip to the range runs $200 in ammo?
    Yeah, give or take a little depending on what type of ammo I'm shooting. Again, it costs less if I buy in bulk. Bulk ammo sales haven't been linked to a single violent gun crime that I've ever heard of yet it's in the cross-hairs of recent gun regulation talk.

    So do you think it should be prohibited?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gameface View Post
    What do you guys think about ordering large quantities of ammo online?

    I've done it. It's a huge money saver and often the only way to get very specific types of ammo.

    Just to put things in perspective for those who never shoot, ammo is expensive. I don't go to the range to fire 10 rounds and go home. I'll usually fire a few hundred rounds, often around 100-200 rounds per gun I bring. For a 100pk of something like .40 it's close to $40, and that's for the value pack at walmart. It's often about $25 or so for a 50pk, but again, for range type ammo. For "personal defense" ammo, specifically the same exact ammo the local police use, it's around $20-$25 for 20 rounds. Buying in bulk makes it much easier and more affordable to practice with your firearms. The fun of owning firearms in my opinion is in firing them. I think it is very important to be extremely familiar with the firearms you own. The only way to do that is to use the firearm.

    I imagine bulk online ammo sales are going to be targeted by any executive order. To me that is a move intended to make the hobby/sport of shooting and firearms ownership more difficult, more expensive and less enjoyable/accessible. It has nothing to do with crime and everything to do with attacking "gun culture" itself.
    I am not necessarily against it. Perhaps have a background check required to buy it. If you pass then you are able to buy the ammo. Maybe a 5 day waiting period. Just throwing out ideas.

    What size of "bulk" are we talking about? 500 rounds or 10,000?
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    A case is usually 500-1000 rounds I believe. But some people store several thousand rounds "in case of emergency." We can laugh at them and call them nut jobs all we want but none of them are stockpiling ammo so they can hold up a liquor store. If you want to go on a shooting rampage it's unlikely you're gonna carry any lose ammo. You'll load as much as you can into whatever magazines you have and carry that. If you've got an AR-15 and several 30rd magazines maybe you carry 200 rounds with you. Easy enough to buy that much ammo at WalMart. Bulk online ammo sales have nothing to do with crime. Nothing.

    Man I was just looking at online prices and ammo prices are considerably higher than what I suggest in my post. It's been a while since I've bought ammo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoked View Post
    I am very much in favor of term limits.
    I see term limits as a way to protect voters from themselves. Besides, if we ever truly get a great person in office, someone who is perfect for the job I don't want them to have to leave because of term limits. I want the freedom to elect the person I think is the best candidate.

    Term limits are contrary to freedom, imo.

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    Like I said I am not against it. I'd be fine with people buying a case or two of ammo online. I am sure that vast bulk purchases of say 10,000 rounds would set of red flags int he government though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gameface View Post
    I see term limits as a way to protect voters from themselves. Besides, if we ever truly get a great person in office, someone who is perfect for the job I don't want them to have to leave because of term limits. I want the freedom to elect the person I think is the best candidate.

    Term limits are contrary to freedom, imo.
    I get where you are coming from but I also see it as a way to partially protect me from other voters that simply do not have my best interest at heart. A check and balances on mob rule so to speak. Plus I see it as a way to help fight the dynasties of people like Hatch that have been a Senator for 7 terms.

    I do not think that evey position needs term limits but I am in favor of them for the President, congressmen and senators. Some judge positions as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gameface View Post
    Yeah, give or take a little depending on what type of ammo I'm shooting. Again, it costs less if I buy in bulk. Bulk ammo sales haven't been linked to a single violent gun crime that I've ever heard of yet it's in the cross-hairs of recent gun regulation talk.

    So do you think it should be prohibited?
    I don't think gun control would help do much. Plenty of data to support that. We do live in a violence friendly society that can have a powerful impact on those who aren't mentally well.
    I think we need to help address people who are mentally sick rather than start taking people's guns away.
    I think people who have guns need to take extra special care of them especially if they feel they could fall into the wrong hands.


    Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't the Colorado theatre shooter was buying ammo in bulk online?

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    Even if the Colo shooter bought ammo online it didn't play a role in the shooting. How many rounds did he fire? It's not like he would have been stopped if only he would have had to pay more and go into a Wal-Mart to buy his ammo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by larryselbows View Post
    With all of the recent gun violence, what is the sentiment on the board about Gun Control? I personally am beginning to think there is some merit to it.
    I just wanted to bring up the OP as a sort of reminder of what this thread is about. It is not about demonizing guns or people who value them, or about demonizing the mentally-ill or those using prescription drugs. I may be off topic to point out the associated facts of the most horrific things in our news with those way-beyond the norm people who have done the evil deeds. We have millions of guns, and millions of people who for some fairly ordinary reasons are on medications which have in less than a hundred instances combined, and been factually associated with the horrific killings we as a society should do something about.

    If you're going to think more regulations on guns will solve the problem, I have suggested that you will need to think again someday, when all the regulations you could imagine or ask for are in place, and something like this still happens. I don't think hundreds of laws regulating prescription drugs will solve the problem, either.

    what will solve the problem in cost/benefit efficiency to a greater extent than gun regulation, is actually having competent, trained people on hand with the equipment it takes to stop a shooter. It wouldn't even have to be another shooter. I have said that even a little old lady with the guts to rush the shooter could precipitate the final act these shooters universally have in mind. . . shooting themselves to avoid any possibility of having to be held accountable in public courts.

    tasers would do the job if someone was close enough, but the most effective thing we can do is make it a possibility that there will be a rapid takedown of the shooter somehow, preferably a non-lethal one.

    I have made my point. I don't carry guns, but I would rush a shooter like this screaming like a banshee. If he had to swing his rifle to take aim, I could do about forty feet of rush before he could hit me. If four or five others would do the same, the killings would be stopped at about three plus the four he could shoot as they rushed him.

    If we as society had this mental toughness in our culture, our kids would be substantially protected from this specific threat.

    And after all I've read in this thread, I've come to the conclusion that the very idea of regulating individuals in ways that incapacitate them in the defense of their own lives, or the lives of their family, or of their property, is morally reprehensible. The consequences of laws of this nature will be tens and hundreds of more lost lives, if not thousands and millions, than leaving things as they now are.

    The only way we are going to improve life in this world is by empowering people to protect themselves from whatever threats they can perceive to their own well-being. No government, no bureaucrat, no police force can reliably "be there" to do the job for them.

    we do need laws making it criminal to kill, and we need to enforce those laws credibly enough that the ordinarily-sentient perps will believe they will be caught and punished. And the perps who would do any wrong to us should know they face a substantial risk of effective self-defense response on the spot.

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    I am glad that I live in a town where criminals have to legitimately worry that the house they are entering is the home of a gun owner. I see CCers and open carriers every day. Love walking thru Walmart and seeing a rancher with a handcannon strapped to his belt. They have never given me pause and caused me to worry.

    Criminals risk their own lives by entering anothers house uninvited at any time.
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    Read this:

    LOGANVILLE, Ga. (AP) - A Georgia mother who shot an intruder at her home has become a small part of the roaring gun control debate, with some firearms enthusiasts touting her as a textbook example of responsible gun ownership.

    Melinda Herman grabbed a handgun and hid in a crawl space with her two children when a man broke in last week and approached the family at their home northeast of Atlanta, police said. Herman called her husband on the phone, and with him reminding her of the lessons she recently learned at a shooting range, Herman opened fire, seriously wounding the burglary suspect.

    The National Rifle Association tweeted a link to a news story about the shooting, and support poured in from others online, hailing Herman as a hero. The local sheriff said he was proud of the way she handled the situation.

    "This lady decided that she wasn't going to be a victim, and I think everyone else looks at this and hopes they have the courage to do what she done," Walton County Sheriff Joe Chapman said Wednesday.

    Herman was working from home Friday when she saw a man walk up to the front door. She told police he rang the doorbell twice and then over and over again. He went back to his SUV, got something out and walked back toward the house, a police report said.

    Herman took her 9-year-old son and daughter into an upstairs bedroom and locked the door. They went into bathroom and she locked that door, too. She got her handgun from a safe, the report said, and hid with her children. At some point, she called her husband, who kept her on the line and called 911 on another line.

    In a 10-minute 911 recording released by the Walton County Sheriff's Office, Donnie Herman calmly explained what was happening to a dispatcher. His part of the conversation with his wife was also recorded.

    "Is he in the house, Melinda? Are you sure? How do you know? You can hear him in the house?" Donnie Herman said.

    His wife told him the intruder was coming closer.

    "He's in the bedroom? Shh, shh, relax. Just remember everything that I showed you, everything that I taught you, all right?" Donnie Herman told his wife, explaining later to the dispatcher that he had recently taken her to a gun range.

    It wasn't clear from the recording exactly when they went to range and Donnie Herman told The Associated Press on Wednesday the family didn't want to talk about the shooting.

    After Donnie Herman told his wife police were on the way, he started shouting: "She shot him. She's shootin' him. She's shootin' him. She's shootin' him. She's shootin' him."

    "OK," the dispatcher responded.

    "Shoot him again! Shoot him!" Donnie Herman yelled. He told the dispatcher he heard a lot of screaming, but he seems to get increasingly worried when he doesn't hear anything from his wife.

    Melinda Herman told police she started shooting the man when he opened the door to the crawl space. The man pleaded with her to stop, but she kept firing until she had emptied her rounds, she told police. She then fled to a neighbor's house with her children.

    The man drove away in his SUV. Police found the SUV on another subdivision street and discovered a man bleeding from his face and body in a nearby wooded area. Police identified the suspect as 32-year-old Paul Slater of Atlanta.

    Chapman said the hospital asked him not to comment on Slater's condition, but he said he is not certain Slater will survive. Authorities have a warrant but haven't formally arrested Slater yet. They plan to charge him with burglary, possession of tools for the commission of a crime and aggravated assault, Walton County sheriff's Capt. Greg Hall said.

    A phone number for Slater was not listed and it was not clear whether he has an attorney.

    Authorities believe Slater targeted a home in another local subdivision but left when confronted by the homeowner, Chapman said.

    (Copyright 2013 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.)
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    Honestly that story doesn't sound very good to me. It seems like he believed he was entering an empty house. When he opened the door to where her and her kids were she just started shooting and as he begged her to stop she continued shooting. I think a verbal command is in order first. "Stop! Get out of my house of I'll shoot you!" If he doesn't stop or makes any sort of sudden movement go ahead and shoot. If he leaves let him leave. The gun might have been able to save her and her kids' life without her shooting a man in front of her children.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gameface View Post
    I see term limits as a way to protect voters from themselves. Besides, if we ever truly get a great person in office, someone who is perfect for the job I don't want them to have to leave because of term limits. I want the freedom to elect the person I think is the best candidate.

    Term limits are contrary to freedom, imo.

    I guess I never looked at it that way, but I agree with you partially.

    Just think of a JFK or RFK type as a president all for 8 terms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gameface View Post
    Honestly that story doesn't sound very good to me. It seems like he believed he was entering an empty house. When he opened the door to where her and her kids were she just started shooting and as he begged her to stop she continued shooting. I think a verbal command is in order first. "Stop! Get out of my house of I'll shoot you!" If he doesn't stop or makes any sort of sudden movement go ahead and shoot. If he leaves let him leave. The gun might have been able to save her and her kids' life without her shooting a man in front of her children.
    If anyone breaks into my home I am assuming they have a gun.
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