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    Quote Originally Posted by Gameface View Post
    The points she made are getting a little redundant, but it's clear that the gun control supporters can't hear what she's saying for some reason. No one in this thread has addressed the point she makes in the video. They seem time and time again to turn away from those facts and push the same emotionally driven, factually inaccurate, purely propagandized story line that was being used 20 years ago...and all the while calling the rest of us wack-O's and unreasonable.

    I can't say how happy I am that there are enough people in this country who refuse to give an inch on this issue. We're not being heard. The legitimate arguments we make are being ignored. There is no room for compromise because nothing meaningful is one the table.

    Have fun supporters of gun control, you're not going to accomplish anything and I for one couldn't be happier about that.
    The only reasonable thing I have heard is expanding background checks. Ammo restrictions, AWBs and all that is anon-starter and always will be for me.

    On a side note ammo is getting exceedingly dificult to get in store now a days. They are out of .223, 9mm .22...

    There was a waiting list 6 pages long for .223 at one store.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoked View Post
    The only reasonable thing I have heard is expanding background checks. Ammo restrictions, AWBs and all that is anon-starter and always will be for me.

    On a side note ammo is getting exceedingly dificult to get in store now a days. They are out of .223, 9mm .22...

    There was a waiting list 6 pages long for .223 at one store.
    Unfortunately, I believe this is a consequence of an alarmist reaction to gun control chatter.

    At the first breath of "gun control", the far right started going ape-**** about the gov't taking away everyone's guns.

    So, everyone goes into hoarding mode, and an artificial deficit is created. Now I gotta lay out $22-25 for a box of ammo that used to cost me $14, if I can find it.

    But with all the talk, what has changed? Gun control? Nope, just the cost and availability of arms and ammo.

    And the retailers are laughing all the way to the bank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bronco70 View Post
    Unfortunately, I believe this is a consequence of an alarmist reaction to gun control chatter.

    At the first breath of "gun control", the far right started going ape-**** about the gov't taking away everyone's guns.

    So, everyone goes into hoarding mode, and an artificial deficit is created. Now I gotta lay out $22-25 for a box of ammo that used to cost me $14, if I can find it.

    But with all the talk, what has changed? Gun control? Nope, just the cost and availability of arms and ammo.

    And the retailers are laughing all the way to the bank.
    Yup, people on the left freak out an call for gun bans/control and the right freaks out and buys everything up.

    ****ing sheep and idiots all around.

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    Recently passed by the Colorado state legislature - HB 1226, making a Concealed Carry Permit invalid on/in/at any college campus, building, or function. I'm not too bright, so someone please explain how this is anything other than new restrictions placed solely on law abiding gun owners. Does it make college safer if a potential mass murderer knows he/she will find no resistance there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bronco70 View Post
    Recently passed by the Colorado state legislature - HB 1226, making a Concealed Carry Permit invalid on/in/at any college campus, building, or function. I'm not too bright, so someone please explain how this is anything other than new restrictions placed solely on law abiding gun owners. Does it make college safer if a potential mass murderer knows he/she will find no resistance there?
    Reality be damned, it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bronco70 View Post
    Recently passed by the Colorado state legislature - HB 1226, making a Concealed Carry Permit invalid on/in/at any college campus, building, or function. I'm not too bright, so someone please explain how this is anything other than new restrictions placed solely on law abiding gun owners. Does it make college safer if a potential mass murderer knows he/she will find no resistance there?
    Utah allows carry on all campuses and always has. There has never been a shooting at a Utah university/campus

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoked View Post
    Utah allows carry on all campuses and always has. There has never been a shooting at a Utah university/campus
    Must be a freaky coincidence...

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    Very long thread I can't read. I think there should be training and licensing like operating a motor vehicle, and different licenses for different classes of weapons. I don't think gun control will reduce crimes, as this has not been the case in cities and counties where high-powered and assault weapons are banned. I think the media are being very subjective in hyping up the gun-control issue with a political agenda behind it.

    Gun owners need to be held responsible for the guns they own and whomever gets their hands on those guns. I don't think guns should be outlawed in and of themselves. Acts of murder, armed robbery and assault are already illegal and carry heavy penalties. Changing the weapon system doesn't eliminate criminal acts or motives. I do think guns should be kept out of the hands of minors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catchall View Post
    Very long thread I can't read. I think there should be training and licensing like operating a motor vehicle, and different licenses for different classes of weapons. I don't think gun control will reduce crimes, as this has not been the case in cities and counties where high-powered and assault weapons are banned. I think the media are being very subjective in hyping up the gun-control issue with a political agenda behind it.

    Gun owners need to be held responsible for the guns they own and whomever gets their hands on those guns. I don't think guns should be outlawed in an of themselves. Acts of murder, armed robbery and assault are are already illegal and carry heavy penalties. Changing the weapon system doesn't eliminate criminal acts or motives. I do think guns should be kept out of the hands of minors.
    yah. A lot of water under this bridge.

    well, the "Constitutional" issue is just applicable to the Federal government. Except most states have some similar constitutional rendition of the Bill of Rights of their own.


    I don't like the laws we have. Net effect on me, since I travel quite a bit and can't stand to research all the jurisdictions I have to pass thorugh, is I never take a gun. Stupid laws.

    the standard legal principles of torts already covers negligence and damages resulting from irresponsibility. Common sense covers the rest of what you said better than any law ever will.

    I was taught as a child what a gun is, and what it does, and how to use it effectively. Nine year old with a 45 magnum. Don't ever get silly in the head with a gun in your hand. No lock needed. My dad kept his guns somehow, I don't know where. I never saw one sitting within my reach as a child.

    you are right about the politicization and insanity of the hype.

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    Automobiles are responsible for more deaths each year than guns. If the goal is to preserve human life, then we might start by reducing the number of cars and licensed drivers. At the same time, the majority of gun deaths (over 60%) are attributed to suicide. To reduce these deaths, we should look at the question of why people would want to kill themselves. Perpetrators of violent crimes are likely to use other weapons to harm people. If they're willing to kill or rob in the first place, they are also likely willing to use an illegal weapon to do it.

    An increasingly centralized government is restrained by and afraid of individuals who protect their personal sovereignty by owning a fire arm. This is precisely what the authors of the U.S. Constitution intended. I say this as someone who does not own a gun, nor ever intends to own one. Asking people to turn in or destroy the fire arms they already have is unconstitutional, impractical and pointless. I don't see how in the world that would happen regardless of the public's or media's sentiment, which incidentally are irrelevant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catchall View Post
    Automobiles are responsible for more deaths each year than guns. If the goal is to preserve human life, then we might start by reducing the number of cars and licensed drivers. At the same time, the majority of gun deaths (over 60%) are attributed to suicide. To reduce these deaths, we should look at the question of why people would want to kill themselves. Perpetrators of violent crimes are likely to use other weapons to harm people. If they're willing to kill or rob in the first place, they are also likely willing to use an illegal weapon to do it.

    An increasingly centralized government is restrained by and afraid of individuals who protect their personal sovereignty by owning a fire arm. This is precisely what the authors of the U.S. Constitution intended. I say this as someone who does not own a gun, nor ever intends to own one. Asking people to turn in or destroy the fire arms they already have is unconstitutional, impractical and pointless. I don't see how in the world that would happen regardless of the public's or media's sentiment, which incidentally are irrelevant.
    I absolutely don't think suicides should ever be used when they calculate gun deaths. I also think they should exclude lawful uses of deadly force. Take those two things away and lets look at the real number of gun deaths. I'm not saying it will suddenly seem like an insignificant number, but it will at least be an honest number.

    And I know bringing up auto deaths is an eyroller for gun control advocates, but in reality we could almost eliminate auto deaths by reducing the speed limit to 25mph on all streets all the time with aggressive enforcement and physical features on the road that make driving too fast uncomfortable. But we don't want to save "just one life" bad enough to put up with having to drive slow. Yet the "if we can save just one life then we need to do it" argument for gun control seems to be accepted by many.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bronco70 View Post
    Does it make college safer if a potential mass murderer knows he/she will find no resistance there?
    Because you'll find no immature drunks doing stupid things on college campuses, just completely sober, rational law-abiders and mass murders, so there is no reason to pass laws assuming any other sort of people exist?
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    Quote Originally Posted by One Brow View Post
    Because you'll find no immature drunks doing stupid things on college campuses, just completely sober, rational law-abiders and mass murders, so there is no reason to pass laws assuming any other sort of people exist?
    So banning guns on campus makes sense because there are irresponsible drunks on campus? Come on man, that's weak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoked View Post
    Utah allows carry on all campuses and always has. There has never been a shooting at a Utah university/campus
    Is that true for every campus that has ever allowed guns?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gameface View Post
    So banning guns on campus makes sense because there are irresponsible drunks on campus? Come on man, that's weak.
    You're saying that immature people don't do stupid things with guns, or that they never wear guns when they go drinking?

    I know you're too rational to believe that people refuse to handle guns when they are irrational.
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