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    Quote Originally Posted by One Brow View Post
    You're saying that immature people don't do stupid things with guns, or that they never wear guns when they go drinking?

    I know you're too rational to believe that people refuse to handle guns when they are irrational.
    So if being rational is the bench mark, do you oppose the AWB since it is irrational?
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    Quote Originally Posted by One Brow View Post
    You're saying that immature people don't do stupid things with guns, or that they never wear guns when they go drinking?

    I know you're too rational to believe that people refuse to handle guns when they are irrational.
    I'm not saying any of that, I'm saying that using the stereotype of stupid drunk college kids as a justification for restricting gun possession is not a strong or convincing argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by One Brow View Post
    Because you'll find no immature drunks doing stupid things on college campuses, just completely sober, rational law-abiders and mass murders, so there is no reason to pass laws assuming any other sort of people exist?
    This is a joke, right? Why exactly do you assume that "immature drunks" are going to obey the rules?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gameface View Post
    I absolutely don't think suicides should ever be used when they calculate gun deaths. I also think they should exclude lawful uses of deadly force. Take those two things away and lets look at the real number of gun deaths. I'm not saying it will suddenly seem like an insignificant number, but it will at least be an honest number.

    And I know bringing up auto deaths is an eyroller for gun control advocates, but in reality we could almost eliminate auto deaths by reducing the speed limit to 25mph on all streets all the time with aggressive enforcement and physical features on the road that make driving too fast uncomfortable. But we don't want to save "just one life" bad enough to put up with having to drive slow. Yet the "if we can save just one life then we need to do it" argument for gun control seems to be accepted by many.
    If I were a local representative then I'd put in a bill requiring all skiiers to wear safety harnesses hooked to ziplines just to piss off all the gun control/wear your seatbelt cause I have to pay for it freaks in my office who perform deadly/expensive ski activities all winter long on the public's dime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoked View Post
    So if being rational is the bench mark, do you oppose the AWB since it is irrational?
    I don't have enough knowledge of the details of the ban to support or oppose it. You didn't even specify if you mean the ban that already expired, or some future version.

    I agree that any ban that has no practical effect is pointless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bronco70 View Post
    This is a joke, right? Why exactly do you assume that "immature drunks" are going to obey the rules?
    I don't. That's why you limit availability.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gameface View Post
    I'm not saying any of that, I'm saying that using the stereotype of stupid drunk college kids as a justification for restricting gun possession is not a strong or convincing argument.
    What would some hypothetical strong arguments for gun control look like? If you are reflexively opposed to any arguments for gun control, then of course you won't find this convincing.

    However, my main point was not that drunken college kids was the main argument for keeping guns out of schools, but that lines of thought which delineated the campus residents into "criminals who will have guns no matter what" and "rational people who won't misuse guns" were ill-founded and inaccurate.
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    The best way to control guns is to make ammo almost impossible to get. It's ****ing annoying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vermin View Post
    The best way to control guns is to make ammo almost impossible to get. It's ****ing annoying.
    Yup. Went to Sportsmans Wharehouse and their shelves were empty as well. They had signs up limiting 1 firearm purches per customer, 2 clips per customer and 1 bulk ammo (250+) per customer.

    Annoying as hell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by One Brow View Post
    I don't. That's why you limit availability.
    Very poor arguement for numerous reasons.
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    A story from over the weekend.

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013...r-old-son-and/

    I wonder, do you think he had a clip with more than 7 bullets?

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    Okay, I've held back long enough. I promise I'm only going to do this once and then drop it.



    A clip is a device that is used to store multiple rounds of ammunition together as a unit, ready for insertion into the magazine or cylinder of a firearm. This speeds up the process of loading and reloading the firearm as several rounds can be loaded at once, rather than one round being loaded at a time. Several different types of clips exist, most of which are made of inexpensive metal stampings that are designed to be disposable, though they are often re-used.
    A magazine is an ammunition storage and feeding device within or attached to a repeating firearm. Magazines may be integral to the firearm (fixed) or removable (detachable). The magazine functions by moving the cartridges stored in the magazine into a position where they may be loaded into the chamber by the action of the firearm. The detachable magazine is often controversially referred to as a clip or mag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gameface View Post
    Okay, I've held back long enough. I promise I'm only going to do this once and then drop it.

    Thanks, that's actually good to know. I always thought the two words were interchangeable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scat View Post
    Thanks, that's actually good to know. I always thought the two words were interchangeable.
    Well, in popular usage they are, but it's just a stupid pet peeve of mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by One Brow View Post
    What would some hypothetical strong arguments for gun control look like? If you are reflexively opposed to any arguments for gun control, then of course you won't find this convincing.

    However, my main point was not that drunken college kids was the main argument for keeping guns out of schools, but that lines of thought which delineated the campus residents into "criminals who will have guns no matter what" and "rational people who won't misuse guns" were ill-founded and inaccurate.
    and just which universe is it that you live in?

    We've had every kind of tyranny we can think of in this one. When are you going to wake up and smell the coffee? The whole thesis of your world view consists of the dogma that those who know best should have power to tell the rest.

    Hasn't anybody ever been able to tell you anything? You're sitting on a pile of your own ****, and you think you've got it all figured out, principally because someone has been able to convince you they know it all.

    Until you can make yourself comfortable with questioning authority, you won't be open to questioning yourself, or smelling your own stuff. . . . and you won't really be OK with letting human beings be free, either. Yah, I know you're hung up on a version of history and a world view that claims "progress" consists of certain ideals, all dressed up in the claim that these are the good ones.

    But they are the same ideals that have been claimed by virtually every tyrant there ever was. This isn't progress. Human liberty would be progress, but authoritarian top down rule is not.

    The reason why there is a Bill of Rights is because everyone who has ever had unlimited power has abused whatever human beings they had power over. And no, there is no "strong argument" for giving more tyrants more power, or to disarm the people.

    While some people will use weapons to kill others piecemeal, one by one or maybe even whole schoolrooms of kids, as abhorrent as that is, it is nothing on the scale governments have done to their own citizens when the citizens were powerless to deter a tyrant. "Right Wing" dictatorships have killed thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands, but idiological marxists and socialists have killed millions just in the past century.

    It's a simple case of minimizing the whole range of risks, and those who ignore the risks governments pose against their own people are just not honest in their arguments.
    Last edited by babe; 02-19-2013 at 12:08 PM.

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