Solid post. The best rebuttal I have heard from anyone on this issue. Good work Frank.Originally Posted by franklin
Solid post. The best rebuttal I have heard from anyone on this issue. Good work Frank.
What value does an expiring big like Sap or Al have?
What trades make sense. Can you come up with a few scenarios that make sense for the other team and our team?
I don't see how either of them have any value. The Jazz waited to long and teams will just wait in the offseason instead of giving up draft picks or young players for them.
The only teams that might want Al or Paul are teams over the cap and those teams probably have crap to offer us.
I'm really curious if you have some trades in mind. I'd like to see them.
Maybe rebuttal isn't the right word. The right word is explanation.
Was this already discussed somewhere (details on what Presti wanted) and Jazz declining? Can you link it?
KOC has a great plan, but it's too bad Corbin isn't following it...
"Most nights (The Jazz) couldn’t stop a grandpa with a walker, particularly if he gave a head fake."
They absolutely have value do you know how many teams are looking for bigs who can score, whether it be in the starting lineup or off the bench? Especially Eastern conference teams, cause most of them are very weak in their frontcourts.
Even kobe was thought to be too young and cocky (chucker). durant, too skinny.... blake could only dunk and thats it.
All of thier coaches gave them major minutes anyway.
Kevin love had question marks, paul pierce did too, derrick rose and westbrook supposedly couldn't shoot good enough.
Alot of stars had question marks, but all of thier coaches decided to give them major minutes anyway.
Yes, Favors was raw when he came out of college a few years ago. It's great that he's come so far. His FT shooting has even improved.
He attacks the rim, draws fouls, and is starting to score on low post moves. The fact is he scores points, and puts up good stats in limited minutes.
It's time to expand those opportunities.
Lunatic and his band of stay the course/question nothing are trying to say we are comparing him to Lebron, Durant, etc. Favors is not in their league.
I think most people are saying we are better with him on the floor, and has a higher ceiling than Sap/Big Al.
"Most nights (The Jazz) couldn’t stop a grandpa with a walker, particularly if he gave a head fake."
No. I'm in the stay patient, this will all work it self out by the trade deadline, quit bitching because its annoying group.
You can also pen me in on the don't blow everything up because **** the team chemistry, burn bridges, and ruin our players trust in the coach petition.
"The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good." - George Washington
I think it's common knowledge that Favors has a higher ceiling than Millsap, and that Kanter has a higher ceiling than Jefferson. No need to whine about getting rid of them after every game though. By the end of the season neither will be here.
So letting players expire isn't an option since your favorite players absolutely must play 35mpg immediately. Gotcha. Let's bring in someone else's ****ty contract so you can buy a foam finger.
"I'm a moron for thinking the Browns could even sniff 10 wins in a division where the other three teams (two of whom almost always make the playoffs) made the post-season last year. Gyp Rosetti's thee God of football knowledge." - Brown Notes
in other words, Frank the Tank is ALL IN on the bet that one (and probably both) of Al and Paul will be dealt by the deadline.
(first update) Offseason to-do list:
(no order)
1. Let Mo, Foyeeee3, Al (s&t?), Watson, and Tinsley go.
2. Re-sign Carroll
3. Draft McCollum, Schroeder, and Giannis (leave the latter two in Europe for a year [maybe two years for Giannis]).
4. Sign Tony Allen
5. Try to keep Millsap. If that doesn't work, explore s&t options.
6. Remove Corbin. Hire Brad Stevens or SVG.
7. Sign Calderon to a one-year (2 max) deal, or see if the cash-strapped Lakers will let us absorb Nash's last year.
Every GM in the league is looking at KOC's situation and nothing has materialized yet (that we know of). Everyone seems to know it will be tough to get a deal done. The Jazz can't just give Jefferson away without a legitimate reason why it's good for the organization.
I couldn't find it earlier googling about 20 minutes for the source. It came out of a KOC interview IIRC.
I wish it were that easy. I'm all in on both won't be re-signed. Doing that is saying see ya to a whole bunch of fans.
It's tough to get a deal done because teams aren't willing to give up assets to acquire Al or Paul when they could just get them in FA without giving up picks or other assets.
Not every team is Billy King level of stupid and will give up a player or pick for a player they could acquire via FA. In fact that trade is widely regarded as the worst trade of our time.
So this argument that we need to "keep their trade value up" is pure garbage. They don't have value.
They will just expire and go to another team the way Boozer, David West, Korver, etc.
I'm asking you for examples of where it makes sense for a team to do this.
So in short, you agree it is difficult to get a deal done. In the end what a wasted a** season this was stifling the growth of our top 3 picks so we could watch players that wont be on this team next year get the majority of minutes all for a 1st round sweep at best.
Coming along nicely? Having completely stalled from one year ago is "coming along nicely"?
Playing well is priority #1 and nothing outside of that is really even close. If you're hoping someone else ****s up, then you don't deserve the break.
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