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    The realistic option is trading Al for another overpaid player expiring this year that is not as good as him and have the other team throw in a crappy pick or rookie contract player.
    Playing well is priority #1 and nothing outside of that is really even close. If you're hoping someone else ****s up, then you don't deserve the break.

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    Quote Originally Posted by franklin View Post
    Okay, reading this again, I don't see how what both of you say matches your negative sentiment toward everyone in the organization.
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    It's not that Al has zero value, it's that he doesn't have $15mm per value, which makes KOC's job extremely difficult. Jefferson on an $11mm per deal was a done trade last season. What do you expect O'Connor to do if he can't trade AJ and the league would penalize the Jazz if he outright made AJ sit on the bench? KOC took a flyer on a guy who potentially paired very well with that D-Will team, but instead got stuck with a bad contract that performs but not at the value needed. It's not like this is a Rashard Lewis situation where you can justify playing him as the 10th man on the bench.
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    Someone please tell me what KOC's other realistic options are.
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    I am Tanklin reporting from Tankville two years in a row.

    Would the league fine the jazz if jefferson came off the bench? What about if he played 25 minutes per game instead of 33?... I dont think the league would fine the jazz for that personally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NUMBERICA View Post
    The realistic option is trading Al for another overpaid player expiring this year that is not as good as him and have the other team throw in a crappy pick or rookie contract player.
    Exactly.


    Quote Originally Posted by billyshelby View Post
    I'm not down on Hayward. But my opinion is both Burks and Bledsoe will be better players than he is if they're not already. It's that simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NUMBERICA View Post
    The realistic option is trading Al for another overpaid player expiring this year that is not as good as him and have the other team throw in a crappy pick or rookie contract player.
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    Exactly.
    We already missed that chance with Kevin Martin, who's averaging 16pnts on 47/47/93.5.

    I won't believe for one second we couldn't have had him for Al at some point in this saga.
    (first update) Offseason to-do list:
    (no order)
    1. Let Mo, Foyeeee3, Al (s&t?), Watson, and Tinsley go.
    2. Re-sign Carroll
    3. Draft McCollum, Schroeder, and Giannis (leave the latter two in Europe for a year [maybe two years for Giannis]).
    4. Sign Tony Allen
    5. Try to keep Millsap. If that doesn't work, explore s&t options.
    6. Remove Corbin. Hire Brad Stevens or SVG.
    7. Sign Calderon to a one-year (2 max) deal, or see if the cash-strapped Lakers will let us absorb Nash's last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NAOS View Post
    We already missed that chance with Kevin Martin, who's averaging 16pnts on 47/47/93.5.

    I won't believe for one second we couldn't have had him for Al at some point in this saga.
    I don't think shooting percentages can transfer like that. They would be lower if he was on the Jazz.
    But that's beside the point. You are correct, not having Al would be neat-O!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LazyD View Post
    I don't think shooting percentages can transfer like that. They would be lower if he was on the Jazz.
    But that's beside the point. You are correct, not having Al would be neat-O!
    And, who knows, if we had made that swap at last year's trade deadline, maybe WE could have swapped Martin, Burks, GS pick, another pick for Harden.

    Long Con is big shart.
    (first update) Offseason to-do list:
    (no order)
    1. Let Mo, Foyeeee3, Al (s&t?), Watson, and Tinsley go.
    2. Re-sign Carroll
    3. Draft McCollum, Schroeder, and Giannis (leave the latter two in Europe for a year [maybe two years for Giannis]).
    4. Sign Tony Allen
    5. Try to keep Millsap. If that doesn't work, explore s&t options.
    6. Remove Corbin. Hire Brad Stevens or SVG.
    7. Sign Calderon to a one-year (2 max) deal, or see if the cash-strapped Lakers will let us absorb Nash's last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by orangello View Post
    You seem to be stuck on only the offensive side of the ball. You keep using the word "raw" to describe Favors. That word only applies to the offensive side of the ball.

    Defensively, he came onto this team as one of our best defensive players.

    If you don't agree with what people are saying that is fine, that is what this place is for. Just don't be ignorant.

    favors has always had terrific defensive instincts and we can both agree that his offensive game is catching up to that but c'mon man.

    he had a habit last year of getting himself into foul trouble too quickly by trying to block every shot. even early this season he was putting opposing players in "and-one" situations by trying to block the ball after a foul had been called on someone else and instead getting called for goal-tending. so i think we can probably agree there is still room for refinement in his defensive game too.

    perhaps what you meant to say is that people can disagree but if they disagree with your view they are ignorant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by salo View Post
    favors has always had terrific defensive instincts and we can both agree that his offensive game is catching up to that but c'mon man.

    he had a habit last year of getting himself into foul trouble too quickly by trying to block every shot. even early this season he was putting opposing players in "and-one" situations by trying to block the ball after a foul had been called on someone else and instead getting called for goal-tending. so i think we can probably agree there is still room for refinement in his defensive game too.

    perhaps what you meant to say is that people can disagree but if they disagree with your view they are ignorant.
    Those are the kind of mistakes that get corrected as the player plays more minutes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Revolution 9 View Post
    KOC has a great plan, but it's too bad Corbin isn't following it...
    if this is true you won't have to worry about corbin for much longer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Revolution 9 View Post
    So you'd rather see Big Al and Sap play together than mixing in Favors, and Foye continue to get 30 mins a night.
    Let me guess you are all for it.
    More like, if Favors is the player we think he is he will force TyCo's hand by the trade deadline.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NAOS View Post
    We already missed that chance with Kevin Martin, who's averaging 16pnts on 47/47/93.5.

    I won't believe for one second we couldn't have had him for Al at some point in this saga.
    Yeah, and they would have wanted Gordon, Burks, and our golden state pick along with him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LunaticWolf View Post
    Yeah, and they would have wanted Gordon, Burks, and our golden state pick along with him.
    Sheesh, I mighta done it. A pick in the 20s + a guy rotting + Inconsistent Gordon.

    It would have been hard for KOC to turn down if he got to keep Millsap, Favors, and Kanter. We can probably get Maynor in this deal, too.

    Mo/Maynor/Tinsley
    Harden/Foye
    Marvin/Carroll
    Millsap/Favors
    Favors/kanter

    Me Gusta... Whatever. The point was Long Con taint worked
    (first update) Offseason to-do list:
    (no order)
    1. Let Mo, Foyeeee3, Al (s&t?), Watson, and Tinsley go.
    2. Re-sign Carroll
    3. Draft McCollum, Schroeder, and Giannis (leave the latter two in Europe for a year [maybe two years for Giannis]).
    4. Sign Tony Allen
    5. Try to keep Millsap. If that doesn't work, explore s&t options.
    6. Remove Corbin. Hire Brad Stevens or SVG.
    7. Sign Calderon to a one-year (2 max) deal, or see if the cash-strapped Lakers will let us absorb Nash's last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Julie Greengiant View Post
    Those are the kind of mistakes that get corrected as the player plays more minutes.
    This.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LunaticWolf View Post
    More like, if Favors is the player we think he is he will force TyCo's hand by the trade deadline.
    Its not possible to "force" a coaches hand...he is the coach he decides who plays no matter what the players do.

    Maybe favors could "force" a trade, or influence the jazz management to fire corbin, but favors has no say in his playing time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fishonjazz View Post
    Its not possible to "force" a coaches hand...he is the coach he decides who plays no matter what the players do.

    Maybe favors could "force" a trade, or influence the jazz management to fire corbin, but favors has no say in his playing time.
    You're kidding, right?
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