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    Quote Originally Posted by Weezur View Post
    We're beating a beated up dead horse

    But he keeps trotting back onto the court every night, so he needs to be beated up some more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by billyshelby View Post
    No, but you have to admit that Ty still has a lot of work to do figuring out how to make our half court offense more dynamic. With the bigs we have, we should run a lot of high/low. We should go post a lot. But I'm tired of watching 1) nobody move on post possessions; 2) nobody cut (except Marvin on the baseline recently); and 3) not having one single play to run from 10 seconds down.
    I reject this. It's clearly a talent problem. Corbin's offense is killer dynamic when the Jazz play against garbage defenses like Toronto. These guys simply aren't good enough to execute a lot of the stuff Corbin has lined up.

    You mean, in terms of which direction he goes off the pick when a defense is trying to force him one way?

    Sure, which direction to go, how to attack so youíre not just stringing the play out. And never taking just one dribble, and stopping and freezing, because then you play into the hands of the defense. Heís getting better. Itís just a process. Heís such a versatile guy, and we want to put the ball in his hands and let him make plays, especially with our second group.
    Corbin is being patient and hoping Haywad grows into a roll where the offense can run more stuff.

    Foye can't run anything besides staggered screen jump shot plays.
    Haywad is missing wide open looks.
    Marvin is cutting more.
    Team transition defense is awful, so Corbin can't run a lot of plays that would put them at risk getting back.
    We are seeing more high-low, something I've been asking for for 2 games. I've even heard players yell out "high low high low" when the 1st option broke down.
    Corbin is adding more looks with the Al post as well. He's sending the ball in from further down the wing than from the top, and having Marvin make the entry pass then cut baseline.

    These players need more time to mesh. I hope the team gets blown up instead so the next group can begin coming together.
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    We can contend for the 7th or 8th seed in the playoffs every year if we keep giving tons of minutes to Foye, Jefferson and Millsap. Or we can lose some games, but gain exp for our young core and actually hope for the future if we play kanter, favors and Burks. I can't think of any team that would have two top 3 picks riding the bench and one top 12 pick, who is high energy and can get to the rim...something the Jazz rarely have, who isn't playing at all. This is terrible minutes allocation and rotation decisions. Lets not contend for the 7th or 8th seed and actually try to be better for the long term

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    You know what's wrong with this offense, Billy. Every player gets the ball and thinks they have to do something with it immediately. If they (Haywad, Marvin, Foye) hold the ball on the wing waiting for a play to develop then the defense suffocates the hell out of them and they're not good enough to take advantage. They can't pass out of it, can't dribble out of it, can't do squat. So hi ho hi ho back into the post we go. The only guy half competent of breaking this is DeMarre Carroll and he does it with pure energy. Still looks like crap though.

    Corbin keeps trying to bring Kanter and Favors along in the post & a whole lot of stagnation should be expected during that learning process. Neither of them can pass worth a damn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by franklin View Post
    You know what's wrong with this offense, Billy. Every player gets the ball and thinks they have to do something with it immediately. If they (Haywad, Marvin, Foye) hold the ball on the wing waiting for a play to develop then the defense suffocates the hell out of them and they're not good enough to take advantage. They can't pass out of it, can't dribble out of it, can't do squat. So hi ho hi ho back into the post we go. The only guy half competent of breaking this is DeMarre Carroll and he does it with pure energy. Still looks like crap though.

    Corbin keeps trying to bring Kanter and Favors along in the post & a whole lot of stagnation should be expected during that learning process. Neither of them can pass worth a damn.
    Burks might be able to dribble or pass out of this situation you speak of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fishonjazz View Post
    Burks might be able to dribble or pass out of this situation you speak of.
    How well did he do last night? I looked at the box score. 1 assist and 10 shots. Please tell me it wasn't his usual chuckfest where 1.5 more shots fell in than his 33% average. How much did his okay shooting have to do with playing in garbage time?
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    Quote Originally Posted by franklin View Post
    How well did he do last night? I looked at the box score. 1 assist and 10 shots. Please tell me it wasn't his usual chuckfest where 1.5 more shots fell in than his 33% average. How much did his okay shooting have to do with playing in garbage time?
    He had some very nice passes last night as well.... you have to watch the games to evaluate guys. Box scores dont tell the whole story.
    Also 1 of his shots was at the buzzer for the end of the 3rd quarter from about 40 feet. So he actually only took 9 shots and made 5. The fact that he shoots alot is a good thing. He is a wing scorer and that is exactly what this team is lacking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fishonjazz View Post
    He had some very nice passes last night as well.... you have to watch the games to evaluate guys. Box scores dont tell the whole story.
    Also 1 of his shots was at the buzzer for the end of the 3rd quarter from about 40 feet. So he actually only took 9 shots and made 5. The fact that he shoots alot is a good thing. He is a wing scorer and that is exactly what this team is lacking.


    I hope there never comes a point when burks comes in the game and is conservitave and cautious and afraid to shoot, looking to pass first.

    We drafted him because of his knack for penetrating, finishing and getting to the free throw line. (putting pts on the board).
    When he is in i hope for him to be somewhat of a ball hog. Twice last night he beat his man off the dribble and got into the paint and found open teammates for easy looks.... Other times he drove at the hoop and made nice finishes over and around defenders... He ran the break well too.
    He played great in his small amount of minutes against the players that were put on the court to stop him.

    He took 1 bad shot out the 9 shots he took (im not counting the 40 foot shot to beat the buzzer at the end of the 3rd quarter)
    It was about a 20 foot jump shot that he never should have took.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fishonjazz View Post
    He had some very nice passes last night as well.... you have to watch the games to evaluate guys. Box scores dont tell the whole story.
    Also 1 of his shots was at the buzzer for the end of the 3rd quarter from about 40 feet. So he actually only took 9 shots and made 5. The fact that he shoots alot is a good thing. He is a wing scorer and that is exactly what this team is lacking.
    Thanks. So, did his teammates miss all the open looks he set them up for?

    I think you're being a little giddy about Burks scoring over DeShawn Stevenson & DJ Augustine though.
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    We all watched Jerry Sloan teams and all of knew the plays. Hell, the whole NBA knew Jerry's plays, but his teams executed. I'm still confused what Ty wants to do on offense. I know that Big Al catches all kinds of $#@% on this board, but he bails out Ty. I think the Jazz players don't know where there shots will come from and makes the whole offense look desperate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by franklin View Post
    Thanks. So, did his teammates miss all the open looks he set them up for?

    I think you're being a little giddy about Burks scoring over DeShawn Stevenson & DJ Augustine though.

    No they didn't all miss. Favors made one of them (which is why the box score shows burks with an assist), on another one favors missed a dunk off a sweet bounce pass on a pick and roll... and another time burks got into the middle of the paint and got the defender in the air with a pump fake and then found kanter for an easy layup, but the refs called a foul on indiana which sent burks to the free throw line (where he made both) so he didn't get the assist.

    So right there is 3 assists in his 13 minutes.
    He passed the ball around other times too which never lead to shot attempts. Its not like when burks is in all he does is get the ball and shoot. Im quite sure he ended up passing the ball more than he shot it.... you just look for the negative parts of burks game, just like myself and many others are guilty of looking for the negative parts of big al's game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by franklin View Post
    Thanks. So, did his teammates miss all the open looks he set them up for?

    I think you're being a little giddy about Burks scoring over DeShawn Stevenson & DJ Augustine though.
    He was mostly guarded by gerald green. Try watching the game.

    Also his on his first bucket he was attacking roy hibbert.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fishonjazz View Post
    He was mostly guarded by gerald green. Try watching the game.

    Also his on his first bucket he was attacking roy hibbert.
    How?
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    Quote Originally Posted by franklin View Post
    How?
    I put my dvr on channel 693 while the game is happening, or i set it to record on the correct channel at the correct time and that usually works for me.

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    Hey fellas,
    Remember when we traded our best player and started dreaming about new beginnings? Dreaming is so much fun.

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