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    Quote Originally Posted by NAOS View Post
    It isn't addicting unless your life was already going nowhere.
    Wut?

    Claiming those with "going nowhere" lives are susceptible to addiction but those who are successful (in your view) are not?
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    Get this, having fun is addictive.

    Get this, being a self-loathing douche is also habit forming.

    Marijuana can be over-used and used in the wrong settings, just like almost every plant on earth. IMO, I think everybody should use it in some fashion, even if extraordinarily rarely.

    As for other drugs:
    I recommend shrooms at least once, but don't be one of those dudes that trips all the damn time. It is a poison. But try it on a camp trip. Fun.

    Definitely try MDMA once with someone you love and in the right non-judgmental dancing/musical environment. Amazing time. Also be sure to clear your calendar for the following two days and just be with him/her during the come down (which can be a bitch). Don't make a habit out of this either, but try it once. There is a whole genre of music you'll have different access to.

    Stay away from opiates and amphetamines.

    None of this is a good idea if you are alone and depressed or in the company of wreckless douches. You can't separate drug use from the quality of your character and company. Don't fool yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by franklin View Post
    Wut?

    Claiming those with "going nowhere" lives are susceptible to addiction but those who are successful (in your view) are not?
    We are talking about weed, right?
    Don't be a D.A.R.E generation knobface and refuse to have an adult conversation about what each individual drug actually is. Look into blood-brain toxicity and other issues and get back to me about what kind of person becomes addicted (i.e. can't emotionally and/or physically function) to weed.

    Other drugs are different. For example after one use of Oxycodon and cocaine I felt a specific craving that stuck in my head for a bit. That took A LITTLE self control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NAOS View Post
    It isn't addicting unless your life was already going nowhere.
    Nice take.

    Marijuana can be psychologically addictive, like just about anything else (video games, porn, sports, gambling, taking badass ****s), but does not create a physical dependency (unlike more demonized [and deserving of that stigma] drugs), which can't actually be said of alcohol and prescription drugs of abuse.

    I think it's lunacy that it's not legalized and regulated in a manner similar to alcohol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NAOS View Post
    Get this, having fun is addictive.

    Get this, being a self-loathing douche is also habit forming.

    Marijuana can be over-used and used in the wrong settings, just like almost every plant on earth. IMO, I think everybody should use it in some fashion, even if extraordinarily rarely.

    As for other drugs:
    I recommend shrooms at least once, but don't be one of those dudes that trips all the damn time. It is a poison. But try it on a camp trip. Fun.

    Definitely try MDMA once with someone you love and in the right non-judgmental dancing/musical environment. Amazing time. Also be sure to clear your calendar for the following two days and just be with him/her during the come down (which can be a bitch). Don't make a habit out of this either, but try it once. There is a whole genre of music you'll have different access to.

    Stay away from opiates and amphetamines.

    None of this is a good idea if you are alone and depressed or in the company of wreckless douches. You can't separate drug use from the quality of your character and company. Don't fool yourself.
    Cept MDMA is an amphetamine? I agree with basically all of this, though things that come in pill form are simply something I try to avoid. Add benzodiazepines (valium, xanax, others) to the avoid list. ****, yeah, just avoid drugs that come in a pill form. Pretty safe advice (though I absolutely loved adderall the one time I took a little tiny bit as basically a measure that one might use an energy drink for, but by that virtue I was also a little scared by it).
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    Quote Originally Posted by NUMBERICA View Post
    Cept MDMA is an amphetamine? I agree with basically all of this, though things that come in pill form are simply something I try to avoid. Add benzodiazepines (valium, xanax, others) to the avoid list. ****, yeah, just avoid drugs that come in a pill form. Pretty safe advice (though I absolutely loved adderall the one time I took a little tiny bit as basically a measure that one might use an energy drink for, but by that virtue I was also a little scared by it).
    Nice add of the benzos. I don't go near.
    I put MDMA on the list purely because of its social importance. I think if you have self-control and are currently raving mad with love, then you should do it together. It's an added bonus that you GET an entire genre of music.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NAOS View Post
    I recommend shrooms at least once, but don't be one of those dudes that trips all the damn time. It is a poison.
    eh? Psilocybin is less toxic than just about anything found in an average medicine cabinet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GVC View Post
    eh? Psilocybin is less toxic than just about anything found in an average medicine cabinet.
    (truth: I've done shrooms several times.)

    I have seen them over-used, but I agree they are mostly harmless. Your reference to the average medicine cabinet does nothing to change my mind on them since it is usually filled with ****.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NAOS View Post
    I have seen them over-used, but I agree they are mostly harmless.
    "Poison"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GVC View Post
    "Poison"?
    Are you saying they are 100% harmless? What's the hangup here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GVC View Post
    eh? Psilocybin is less toxic than ...
    Slightly "poisonous"? or do we need to pick a different word?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NAOS View Post
    Are you saying they are 100% harmless? What's the hangup here?
    Didn't say that. I wouldn't call them "poison" though, especially considering the stigma attached to that word. How many people consider aspirin "poison"? Psilocybin isn't particularly habit forming and is non-toxic (unless you plan to eat several pounds of mushrooms in a single sitting). Aside from the slim chance of winning the HPPD lottery, how are they a "poison"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GVC View Post
    Didn't say that. I wouldn't call them "poison" though, especially considering the stigma attached to that word. How many people consider aspirin "poison"? Psilocybin isn't particularly habit forming and is non-toxic (unless you plan to eat several pounds of mushrooms in a single sitting). Aside from the slim chance of winning the HPPD lottery, how are they a "poison"?
    I'm happy with everything you say here. Do we need to get Hung up on this word? Go disagree with Lunatic or Brown Notes if you need debate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NAOS View Post
    I'm happy with everything you say here. Do we need to get Hung up on this word? Go disagree with Lunatic or Brown Notes if you need debate.
    I'm stuck in Buffalo airport for the next 4+ hours, sleep deprived. Given your advocacy for psychotropic drug experimentation, I was surprised by your choice of words (irresponsible...). Understandable, no?

    Back on-topic: I smoke weed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GVC View Post
    I'm stuck in Buffalo airport for the next 4+ hours, sleep deprived. Given your advocacy for psychotropic drug experimentation, I was surprised by your choice of words (irresponsible...). Understandable, no?

    Back on-topic: I smoke weed.
    You're right about the connotations of the word, and right that I should avoid them in this context. But, yeah, wo doesn't like the occasional stiff handshake of a poison/potion? Haha!

    I'm going to a big hot box on the evening of the 26th which is guaranteed to have California's very finest ... in copious amounts. Xmas spoiling.

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