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    Quote Originally Posted by Hotttnickkk View Post
    I don't know what it used to be. But the emphasis now seems to be on putting bums on seats.

    Doesn't matter whether we win championships or not, as long as we're selling tickets.

    And I don't like it one bit
    how many championships did the jazz win in the good ol days bro

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeavenHarris View Post
    how many championships did the jazz win in the good ol days bro
    He didn't say the Jazz were winning championships, douche. He implied that winning Championships is not necessarily the main goal. It was certianly the goal in the mid to late 90s.

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    For me Jazz basketball is:













    Trey Burke: the reason why intangibles should never take precedent over measurables.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mellow View Post
    For me Jazz basketball is:













    Larry looks like he was trying to pass a kidney stone while having a stroke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by friendsinmyhead View Post
    He didn't say the Jazz were winning championships, douche. He implied that winning Championships is not necessarily the main goal. It was certianly the goal in the mid to late 90s.
    i think it is still the goal. HOF players don't exactly grow on trees tho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Thriller View Post
    Jazz basketball used to be:

    #1 Hard nosed, physical, and disciplined. We lived in the paint and FT line. We had a (predictable) but devastating offensive play/strategy. Stockton to Malone... Duron to Boozer/Memo. Currently, we avoid the FT line and paint at all costs and have no strategy or idea what the hell works. We rarely play physical, we're mentally weak, and typically come out lackadaisical. We're in... what? Year 3? And I still ahve no clue what the hell Ty Corbin is trying to do.

    #2 We used to play inside out. Not chuck from the outside in. In the old Jazz system the "Big 4" would be the primary scorers while Hayward, Burks, etc would be cutting and slashing to the rim rdy to receive passes from the post players. The PG's primary job was to get the ball to these primary scorers. Today, we have a SG who tries to play PG and 2 PG's who are literally 5 years past their expiration date.

    #3 We used to control the tempo, execute until we got the shot that we wanted (even if the shot clock was winding down), and made players in our system better. Duron Williams just reminded us this past week of this fact. Whether it was Howard Eisley, Shandon Anderson, Carlos Boozer, or Duron Williams... Players typically increased while in our system and declined when outside. The exact opposite is occurring right now. We never control the tempo, never execute even good shots, and I honestly can't think of a player in our system who wouldn't benefit greatly by going elsewhere.

    #4 Lastly, leadership. Larry, Jerry, Stock/Malone, Duron, etc wanted to win. I'm not so sure Greggy, Ty, and our "star players" are very concerned over that right now. It seems like one is concerned about merely filling his bank account, Ty is busy cheerleading instead of leading, and our "star players" are too concerned with getting theirs so they can request pay increases this summer.
    This ... We also had no issue with fouling, and fouling hard!

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeavenHarris View Post
    how many championships did the jazz win in the good ol days bro
    We never won a championship, but we always over-performed. Our system made us better than our roster should have allowed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeavenHarris View Post
    i think it is still the goal. HOF players don't exactly grow on trees tho.
    the post we are referencing stated that the goal was now to put butts in seats and not to win championships. a championship may still be the goal, but it does not appear that we are trying to acheive the goal at all costs. Therefore it is probably not the ultimate goal. If we were chasing championships Ty would not be our Head Coach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Thriller View Post
    Jazz basketball used to be:

    #1 Hard nosed, physical, and disciplined. We lived in the paint and FT line. We had a (predictable) but devastating offensive play/strategy. Stockton to Malone... Duron to Boozer/Memo. Currently, we avoid the FT line and paint at all costs and have no strategy or idea what the hell works. We rarely play physical, we're mentally weak, and typically come out lackadaisical. We're in... what? Year 3? And I still ahve no clue what the hell Ty Corbin is trying to do.
    Deron to Boozer/Memo teams were almost just as soft. They should not have been mentioned. In fact, we avoid the paint so badly we're 8th in the league in free throw attempts per game. Last year, we were 4th. The year before 9th. The five seasons prior we were either 2nd or 3rd. A drop but far from a steep one.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Thriller View Post
    #2 We used to play inside out. Not chuck from the outside in. In the old Jazz system the "Big 4" would be the primary scorers while Hayward, Burks, etc would be cutting and slashing to the rim rdy to receive passes from the post players. The PG's primary job was to get the ball to these primary scorers. Today, we have a SG who tries to play PG and 2 PG's who are literally 5 years past their expiration date.
    We may have wanted to play inside out but did we ever truly do so. The three point shot was more or less urban legend.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Thriller View Post
    #3 We used to control the tempo, execute until we got the shot that we wanted (even if the shot clock was winding down), and made players in our system better. Duron Williams just reminded us this past week of this fact. Whether it was Howard Eisley, Shandon Anderson, Carlos Boozer, or Duron Williams... Players typically increased while in our system and declined when outside. The exact opposite is occurring right now. We never control the tempo, never execute even good shots, and I honestly can't think of a player in our system who wouldn't benefit greatly by going elsewhere.

    #4 Lastly, leadership. Larry, Jerry, Stock/Malone, Duron, etc wanted to win. I'm not so sure Greggy, Ty, and our "star players" are very concerned over that right now. It seems like one is concerned about merely filling his bank account, Ty is busy cheerleading instead of leading, and our "star players" are too concerned with getting theirs so they can request pay increases this summer.
    3 and 4 are pretty much true though I wouldn't say they don't want to win. They just have little leadership and motivating factors to get them there.

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    Jazz basketball now:

    Lakers Suck.

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    Lakers Suck.

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    Jazz basketball used to be this:



    Now all we have is this:


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    Didn't Favors and Kanter, just yesterday, get into a huge fight?

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    Quote Originally Posted by friendsinmyhead View Post
    the post we are referencing stated that the goal was now to put butts in seats and not to win championships. a championship may still be the goal, but it does not appear that we are trying to acheive the goal at all costs. Therefore it is probably not the ultimate goal. If we were chasing championships Ty would not be our Head Coach.
    disagree. maybe KOC/Jazz mgmt thinks Ty is a championship level coach? don't confuse sincere misjudgment with deliberate sabotage. i do not appreciate you calling me a douche, friend.

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