Mark Jackson found a way to develop youngsters and to win.
As for us, we still don't know who is Kanter, who is Favors, Burks got playing time just because someone was injured and Hayward is not a starter anymore.
Mark Jackson found a way to develop youngsters and to win.
As for us, we still don't know who is Kanter, who is Favors, Burks got playing time just because someone was injured and Hayward is not a starter anymore.
I'm not sure to which "alternative notions" you are referring. I agree it's basketball, whether it's being played by the Warriors, Bobcats, Raptors, TrailBlazers, or Pistons. While I don't claim to follow any of those teams closely, my perception has been that they have all been generally following the suggestions of Hotttnickkk for a number of years. So, when you say there is no other data to choose from, I'm curious why you can't choose from data that includes such teams.Originally Posted by PKM
If Ty Corbin coached the Warriors guys like Curry and Thompson would be riding the pine in favor or guys like Richard Jefferson.
If Corbin coached the Blazers no one outside of the Big Sky would know who Damian Lillard was.
It's truly ridiculous that guys like Kanter and Favors are struggling to even get 20 mins while guys like Burks are basically receiving zero. I truly don't know of any other coach in the league who would have simply benched Burks, barely play Kanter, and play Favors only 20 mins. For most teams Favors would be 35+ mins, starter, and huge contributor. Kanter would be a 30+ min guy. And Burks would start.
It's sooooo weird what we're doing with 3 lotto picks, in particular, the 2 bigs who were top 3 picks. So weird.
Corbin sucks.
I knew what you meant, OB. I just wanted to mess with you and point out that these types of things can hardly be formula-applied.
Sandy Braille wrote: Scrodum to Penes!!!! ALLEY-OOP!!! U Gotta Love It Baby!!!
Jazz model right now should be trading Fat Al + Millsap + GSW Pick for a young PG like Holiday or Rondo and then follow the GSW model and get Shabazz
Can't tank well enough for 'Bazz. I'll take Rondo though.
Sandy Braille wrote: Scrodum to Penes!!!! ALLEY-OOP!!! U Gotta Love It Baby!!!
This is exactly right. The more minutes you play Kanter, Burks and Favors, the more it will pay in dividends for this season and future seasons. If Big Al and Sap were getting us a lot more wins, then I could see how it would be hard to give these guys a lot of minutes. But that is not happening---and it is obvious our young guys have more talent. We are losing badly and it seems we play better and come back with our young guys in the game.
Treating them like this will ruin their confidence and upside.
It is a no-brainer to play the young guys because they are the future of the franchise if they are as good as we hope they are. Playing guys like Foye is just bad business because no one wants to come to the arena to watch Randy Foye, a guy who most likely won't be here next year. I would be trade both AJ and Millsap along with Foye or Marvin Williams to get a top 5 pick.
My target would be Washington/Charlotte/Kings because they are in need of a lot of veteran talent and their owners do not want to be in the lottery again.
I'm warming to Rondo. As long as the Jazz are dedicated to the 3 (otherwise).
Playing well is priority #1 and nothing outside of that is really even close. If you're hoping someone else ****s up, then you don't deserve the break.
Noted, and agreed.
The reason I chose GSW is that I see a lot of similarities between these 2 teams LAST YEAR in terms of the composition of the teams:
- They both have a similar quality and mix of young players VS Vets as the Jazz
- (Jefferson/Millsap) VS (Bierdrins/Lee)
- Thompson VS Burks - they're 11th and 12th pick last year respectively
If anything you could argue the Jazz has a much MUCH better crop of young players that they can develop (GSW had Curry & Jenkins, but we have Favors, Hayward and Kanter).
Now at this exact time last year both these teams have a decision to make. Do they compete for the 8th spot? Or do they play their young guys and see where the chips fall (picking up a decent player in a loaded draft along the way). And we know what happened.
To be honest I'm not looking so much at the wins/loses this year. I'm looking more at how comfortable their young guys are at playing big minutes, and what better time to evaluate that than last night when the 2 teams meet, exactly 1 year from last year's GSW decision to "tank".
Freakazoid = Matt Harpring. Just ask him - he won't deny it.
My Dream Draft '13: Trey 'Black Jesus' Burke & Glen Robinson III
My "back to reality" Draft '13 Dennis Schroeder aka "German General" & Giannis Adetokunbo aka "Greek Freak"
So, if the Warriors had the same records as the Raptors right now, you'd still be making this comparison?
We really haven't seen what this team can do when healthy. Mo has been out a couple of times. Watson just came back. Favors has missed 5 games and struggled with his foot injury. Just wait until everyone gels. Why the Jazz could actually go on a 3-game winning streak in late January when they have 4 straight home games.
When one door closes, another doesn't open....instead, I find myself being locked in a room with padded walls and no windows.
You're assuming Thompson and Jenkins after playing all those minutes last year have not gained any experience at all - which is not realistic.
Moreover, you're assuming getting Harrison Barnes would not make any impact. Again not a realistic assumption.
The combination of Thompson's experience, Barnes' contribution (which is foreseeable) contributed to GSW's success this year.
Don't forget - what GSW has done is EXACTLY what some of us here at JazzFanz have been calling the Jazz to do at exactly this time last year (play young guys to give them experience and see where they fall, and may be pick up a decent player in the process).
So to answer your question: Even if GSW and Jazz have the same record this year (or even of GSW has a slightly worse record) I'd still think GSW will come out ahead next year. Why? Because when Millsap & Jefferson leaves, we'd still be stucked with an inexperience Kanter/Favors/Burks. While GSW again are playing Thompson, Barnes, Curry, etc big minutes this year.
Freakazoid = Matt Harpring. Just ask him - he won't deny it.
My Dream Draft '13: Trey 'Black Jesus' Burke & Glen Robinson III
My "back to reality" Draft '13 Dennis Schroeder aka "German General" & Giannis Adetokunbo aka "Greek Freak"
I am not assuming any such thing. I am asking you to explain your assumption that this has been a significant factor for the Warriors this year, when it had not been a facotr in previous years, is not helping the Raptors, etc. I am pointing out that selectiong this years Warriors as your example is cherry-picking.
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