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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrone Torbin View Post
    Why do people act like Klay Thompson is some great young player? He shoots a ton, doesn't get to the foul line, and doesn't shoot a good FG%. He is good from deep, but that is really all he has on Hayward (and he isn't the TO machine that Hayward can be).
    I'm not saying he's the best or even the greatest young player. All I'm saying is what GSW is doing is giving him the best possible chance to reach his potential.

    Can't say the same thing about what the Jazz is doing with Burks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hotttnickkk View Post
    I'm not saying he's the best or even the greatest young player. All I'm saying is what GSW is doing is giving him the best possible chance to reach his potential.

    Can't say the same thing about what the Jazz is doing with Burks.
    Or they are teaching him to be a chucker and are stunting his potential.
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    Then put it this way:

    GS partially caters its offense around getting Thompson reps from spots at which he can succeed. They started doing so early in his career, and their efforts continue.

    Hey, Hayward... you want the ball and a pick? Sure, we will give you a couple per game, but only after you show the ability to hit this curl thing and hit 3 pointers from any damn place after our Jefferball breaks down.

    Questions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NUMBERICA View Post
    Harrison Barnes has been pretty damn good. Klay Thompson is better than Hayward. And they've been winning all of these games without one of the best centers in the NBA (at least defensively, but you could argue one of the best in the league since the position sucks currently).
    Barnes shoots 41% as a SF who is billed as an offensive player. He has shot 28% over the last 5 games. His PER is a whopping 10.3 for the season. I expect him to eventually get better, but he has been far from "pretty damn good" thus far.

    Not convinced Thompson is better than Hayward, just more aggressive in shooting. He gets the to the FT line half as much and he plays about 10 more mpg.

    Andrew Bogut will never be healthy, so he will never be a top center again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NAOS View Post
    Then put it this way:

    GS partially caters its offense around getting Thompson reps from spots at which he can succeed. They started doing so early in his career, and their efforts continue.

    Hey, Hayward... you want the ball and a pick? Sure, we will give you a couple per game, but only after you show the ability to hit this curl thing and hit 3 pointers from any damn place after our Jefferball breaks down.

    Questions?
    A lot of it has to do with Hayward being gun-shy and Thompson being the opposite. Hayward doesn't want to shoot 7 three pointers a game, Thompson does.

    And if their offense is so "catered to getting Thompson reps from spots at which he can succeed" then why is a 40% FG shooter?
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    You've got to be joking. The GSW model? Are you drunk? The GSW model used to be Jessica Alba. The Utah model is all about team basketball, hardnosed defense, and taking your lunchpail to work. Tanking two out of every three years is not a model to which I want my biracial children to aspire.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrone Torbin View Post
    A lot of it has to do with Hayward being gun-shy and Thompson being the opposite. Hayward doesn't want to shoot 7 three pointers a game, Thompson does.
    Popovich will angrily yank players from the game if they don't shoot an open three created by parker's drive or some PnR fallout, even if there are 15 seconds left on the clock. He puts players in their spots and doesn't take gun-shy for an answer.

    It's safe to say Hayward would be less gun shy over there in SAS. We could make him less so by not shoe-horning him into a system that isn't that effective anyway.

    And if their offense is so "catered to getting Thompson reps from spots at which he can succeed" then why is a 40% FG shooter?
    Maybe he's still learning? Maybe he isn't that good? One thing is for sure though, the Warriors will know what he can do.





    Then they'll **** everything up because they are the Warriors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrone Torbin View Post
    A lot of it has to do with Hayward being gun-shy and Thompson being the opposite. Hayward doesn't want to shoot 7 three pointers a game, Thompson does.

    Popovich will angrily yank players from the game if they don't shoot an open three created by parker's drive or some PnR fallout, even if there are 15 seconds left on the clock. He puts players in their spots and doesn't take gun-shy for an answer.

    It's safe to say Hayward would be less gun shy over there in SAS. We could make him less so by not shoe-horning him into a system that isn't that effective anyway.



    Maybe he's still learning? Maybe he isn't that good? One thing is for sure though, the Warriors will know what he can do.





    Then they'll **** everything up because they are the Warriors.

    At least we can agree to that.
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    Ok based on a google image search San Fransisco models vs salt lake models it is not even close. San Fran kicks slc butt Twice over. Would up load pics but not very good at that.

    Second I HATE mark Jackson and refuse to say he is a good coach. Anyone who says other wise should have their ******* tarred and feathers then have it ripped off. (ok that might be excessive)

    Let's look at a comparison

    Pg - Steph curry vs vet mo wlliams IMO the pg position is one of the most important positions on the team especially for the jazz. Curry, though injury prone, is tons better then more and curry is the heart of that team.

    Sg- thompson vs burks great shooting vs slasher more exp vs less exp. we don't know what burks can do. Again Thompson is a good shooter.

    Sf - Barnes vs Hayward this is one spot the jazz have drafted well. I like Barnes but I think Hayward is and will be a better pro. Hayward just needs to get more consistent.

    Pf - Lee vs millsap great move now with lee. He is not the defender millsap is but great scorer and rebounder. Again better move.

    C - bogut vs Jefferson goes to Jefferson because bogut hasnt played yet. But bogut lee is better than Jefferson millsap.

    Bench Landry/jack/rush vs foye (I know he starts) favors kanter jazz bench is still all potential where gsw has a nice mix of talent. I know Marvin Williams is in the mix but to be honest he is just flat out a disappointment.

    With that all said gsw has the 1 thing the jazz don't a good point guard. If the jazz had Steph curry they would be a top 4 team in the west. We have mo Williams and probably won't make the play offs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hotttnickkk View Post
    I guess what I'm saying is the GSW model can be summed up in 1 word: Flexibility.
    What Golden State did wasn't unique or original. Teams do it several times a decade. It rarely works. We still don't know how it will work for Golden State, in the end. If you take a chance on rolling a die, and it comes up with the "6" you needed, that does not mean that rolling a die was the best play.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hotttnickkk View Post
    All I'm saying is what GSW is doing is giving him the best possible chance to reach his potential.

    Can't say the same thing about what the Jazz is doing with Burks.
    You say this based on how many years as an NBA coach? What do you really know about developing professional NBA players?
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    Quote Originally Posted by One Brow View Post
    You say this based on how many years as an NBA coach? What do you really know about developing professional NBA players?
    LOL.. why don't we just restrict access to this forum to Ex and present NBA Scouts, Coaches, GM, players and their wives?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hotttnickkk View Post
    LOL.. why don't we just restrict access to this forum to Ex and present NBA Scouts, Coaches, GM, players and their wives?
    I don't come to this forum thinking I'm getting expert/inside information. I come to exchange my ignorant ideas with all my fellow ignoramuses. However, every now then one of us needs to be reminded that we don't really know what it takes to run an NBA offense, put together a good trade, or create a situation where any particular player can reach their best potential. Sometimes I'm that one, sometimes not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hotttnickkk View Post
    I'm not saying he's the best or even the greatest young player. All I'm saying is what GSW is doing is giving him the best possible chance to reach his potential.

    Can't say the same thing about what the Jazz is doing with Burks.
    Klay Thompson played 600 minutes more in his first year (and twice as many minutes overall) than Burks has played so far in one and change. I reckon that an extra 500 or 600 minutes can be a big difference--especially for a big man (which would apply more to Kanter and Favors) as well as a semi-free spirit such as Burks who is still trying to find his shooting stroke consistently.

    Thompson has had a good three-point percentage and free-throw percentage both years; can't say the same for Burks. But I don't think that's why TyCo isn't playing Burks.

    Despite far fewer minutes ("only" about 1200), Burks is producing at about the same rate in most categories--except Burks is doing better in TOs and (fewer) PFs. But that's largely against the second string, in Burks' case.

    I still think that Corbin should be giving Burks 8 or 10 minutes at point while Mo is out. At times, the relatively slow Tinsley and Watson have been burned. Tinsley did well down the stretch vs. the Clips, but more height seemed to slow down CPee3 slightly--and Burks athleticism would've helped on Crawford, too (although he was burning Hayward plenty).
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