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    Quote Originally Posted by franklin View Post
    Bynum is nothing more than salary filler in this trade.

    It means moving on from Jefferson, dumping Foye, ridding Bell's salary, getting a meager pick for it, and potentially getting something for Bynum. Noone else wants Jefferson but Phili actually needs him and has motivation to make the trade. Plus, Foye > Nick Young for them as a situation benchie.
    Sure, I agree. But the greatest value comes from actually getting something from Bynum. As you know, that means matching the salary he gets with other in-coming salaries. My second post was speculating about where he might want to go and what players would come our way.

    New York area teams + who else?

    Again, nice idea.

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    Tried to make Clips work for Bledsoe but it'd take Odom, Chauncey and another scrap contract. Clips wouldn't have a backup pg & probably don't want to shake up their league leading record. This would be hard to pass up long term though: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=a9tk2uv

    Chauncey can't be included until 1/15 so Hill, Green, and Turiaf are salary filler for now.
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    are these really things that have been discussed or even offered?

    a) green doesn't really give us anything we need (and that's when he plays) and the celtics' picks are going to be mid-first rounders at best.
    b) no way i'd do millsap for tyrus thomas.
    c) the most intriguing one, although i'd really like to find a way to get a distributing point guard. still, this would be my first choice.
    d) wrong time to hitch our cart to gasol. 32 with a bad back, two bad knees and a bad plantar.
    e) beasley is a known cancer. i like wes ok and think he could still turn into a decent role player with the right change of scenery, but no rebuilding team is giving up an unprotected pick in a year when they're almost sure to hit the lotto.

    so my answer would be C by a mile, but i'd still love a way to get an under-the-radar PG with an ability to involve teammates. calderon, greivis vazquez, kemba walker... hell, i'd even take a flyer on kendall marshall and see if we can resurrect him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NUMBERICA View Post
    A few things:

    Nobody's going to offer picks of any serious worth for players they want to keep AND are on expiring deals. I'm pretty sure for players on veteran deals, they can be extended at any point, so that could put Al in some of these discussions since he's a teddy bear and already was cool with getting extended in a trade to ****ING MINNESOTA (even though he could only extend two additional seasons). But that means Millsap is out of these, and really, basically any meaningful trade unless the Jazz are bringing back a player with years on a deal that their team doesn't want to deal with because a team going nowhere will not part with real assets to rent Millsap.

    That said, anything involving kicking Al out of Utah and scrubbing him from team history earlier than later is something I'm always interested in. E doesn't seem realistic, but C does (even though the Jazz would HAVE to jettison some other players in some way or other to make it work, which is all the better to me), so that's what I voted for.
    this is true for al, but there's no way paul agrees to a veteran extension, because it would be based on his current cap hit, which is extremely low because of how portland front-loaded the RFA deal years ago. so the most he could agree to would be that 3 yr, 25M deal the jazz offered him over the summer that he turned down.

    al, though, could be extended up until june 30... but not by his new team. because extend-and-trade rules are more onerous than regular extensions, the new CBA makes it so that a team can't extend a player until 6 months have passed since they acquired him via trade, and by the time 6 months pass, al will already be an UFA. they can extend-and-trade him, but they'd be limited to two additional years with 4.5% increases on this year's salary.

    it appears from that list (assuming the list is legitimately a list of dicusssions that have actually taken place) that most teams that are interested in paul/al are looking for the cap relief, not a multi-year commitment. they're teams looking to dump pau, dump jeff green, dump beasley, etc.
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    Pau will be dealt, likely in a 3 way because of salary issues. We could be a good middleman in that type of deal. But no way does LA want Al and Sap both.

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    Here's another framework, NAOS. What do you think of it? http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=b98l8uc

    I don't know much about Atlanta anymore but they seem happy with Lou Williams. Bynum-Horford-Smoove would be a scary big defense to deal with. Do they turn it down if Bynum & Smoove verbally guarantee to re-sign for X amount?

    ATL owns Hou 1st (top 14 protected '13-16), 2014 and 2015 swaption with Brooklyn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theNBAnerd View Post
    this is true for al, but there's no way paul agrees to a veteran extension, because it would be based on his current cap hit, which is extremely low because of how portland front-loaded the RFA deal years ago. so the most he could agree to would be that 3 yr, 25M deal the jazz offered him over the summer that he turned down.

    al, though, could be extended up until june 30... but not by his new team. because extend-and-trade rules are more onerous than regular extensions, the new CBA makes it so that a team can't extend a player until 6 months have passed since they acquired him via trade, and by the time 6 months pass, al will already be an UFA. they can extend-and-trade him, but they'd be limited to two additional years with 4.5% increases on this year's salary.

    it appears from that list (assuming the list is legitimately a list of dicusssions that have actually taken place) that most teams that are interested in paul/al are looking for the cap relief, not a multi-year commitment. they're teams looking to dump pau, dump jeff green, dump beasley, etc.

    Haha.

    Sorry NBAnerd. I was just joking about these being real discussions. I have no connections. I was just messing around. I appreciate your input though, because I have been really curious how the extensions would work in these scenarios. I was fishing for this info.

    So what you are saying is that it is highly unlikely we can trade Al or Paul? That just pisses me off more. The Jazz should have traded these guys last year then like all the "dumb" fans wanted.

    With all the complexities of the cba, we probably wont get crap for Al or Paul. We essentially rented a couple of 8th seed door mats who took playing time from our future.

    Good job FO!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by franklin View Post
    Here's another framework, NAOS. What do you think of it? http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=b98l8uc

    I don't know much about Atlanta anymore but they seem happy with Lou Williams. Bynum-Horford-Smoove would be a scary big defense to deal with. Do they turn it down if Bynum & Smoove verbally guarantee to re-sign for X amount?

    ATL owns Hou 1st (top 14 protected '13-16), 2014 and 2015 swaption with Brooklyn.
    The ATL trade isn't bad.

    In another thread I suggested that we trade Millsap to LAC for Bledsoe and Odom - with the idea that we'd quickly reach a buyout with Odom and he'd re-sign with the Clips. For facilitating this, we get a future first, too.

    I like this + the Bynum deal you originally offered (provided we work a s&t and get some nice pieces... maybe to ATL with Teague coming to us. Maybe to Brooklyn with Lopez coming here to solidify our front court).

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    Teague/Bledsoe
    Mo/Burks
    Marvin/Hayward
    Favors
    Kanter

    Add two 2013 picks.

    That's a really nice foundation.

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    Modified D

    http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=aec6g2n

    Why?
    http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=400278197
    "I think Minnesota at times plays better without Love," Karl said. "They're kind of a machine-like offense. They give guys different opportunities. But they're pretty good."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hack View Post
    Haha.

    Sorry NBAnerd. I was just joking about these being real discussions. I have no connections. I was just messing around. I appreciate your input though, because I have been really curious how the extensions would work in these scenarios. I was fishing for this info.

    So what you are saying is that it is highly unlikely we can trade Al or Paul? That just pisses me off more. The Jazz should have traded these guys last year then like all the "dumb" fans wanted.

    With all the complexities of the cba, we probably wont get crap for Al or Paul. We essentially rented a couple of 8th seed door mats who took playing time from our future.

    Good job FO!!
    I have a feeling that wih any Al trade the Jazz will have to include one of the c4 or a decent pick.

    That's just depressing to think about.
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    So I was very mad about the game, but I wasn't going to vent here, because you guys all feel the same way. However, Ty's postgame interview got my blood boiling. On why he let Trey and Gordon play while having bad games, "You gotta let them battle through it because that's what you gotta do." Really are you kidding me. You have to balls to say that when you pulled Alec after 16 minutes against LAC and Kanter got 19 minutes toinght?

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    You definitely want to pick up gasol when lakers are having coaching problems. He's still a great player with 3-4 years to go. I'd say trade favors for a good pg or shooting guard

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    Kanter and gasol will be like gasol and Bynum wen they won rings

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    Also get rid of Corbin.

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    The goal is to win a championship. Not have a good/great team in the future that'll keep losing in the playoffs. gasol is the best talent which can be unleashed with good coaching. In te long run we are all dead. Think winning championship next year or even this year. Gasol will bring championship class to Utah. Other players will learn how to win

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