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  1. 01-02-2013, 05:55 PM #1
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    Crazy trade idea

    Here's my wildest one yet. Bear with me.

    http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=anrblnx

    Jazz get Orlando unprotected first, the worse of Denver & NYK 2014 first, and odd protection Phili 1st.(1)

    Why for Jazz? Big Baby will make a nice 3rd big for $6.4. Turk sucks 12mm off and could be bought out. Harrington's deal is only 50% guaranteed the next two seasons, about $3.6mm each. Total Jazz salary next summer would be roughly $40.5 after buying out Harrington, could drop $800k in Murphy, and might get a $million discount on Turkoglu. $9.8mm(2) is a bit to pay for three poor picks but the Jazz are in a position to afford it and still have roughly $20mm in cap space this offseason, 3 first round lottery picks to wheel and deal, and more picks in the pipeline to sweeten any future trades with. There's a lot of room in there to either move up in the draft or make a Harden type trade to complete a young core.

    Why for Orlando? These picks are not that good. Orlando is currently 9th worst overall. They also have little cap room(3) and being dragged down by Turk & Harrington's deals. This gives them bird rights on Bynum (S&T options if nothing else) and $25mm in cap room while finally clearing the books on trying to please Dwight Howard. A core of Jameer, Afflalo, Vucevic, and Bynum if he were to sign wouldn't be bad. The alternative now is no cap space, a late lotto pick in a weak draft, 3 more years of Harrington and Baby, and no cap space to improve.





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    2015 first round draft pick from Philadelphia
    Philadelphia's own 2015 1st round pick to Orlando two years after Philadelphia satisfies their obligation to convey a 1st round pick to Miami (Top-14 Protected in the 2015 NBA Draft, top-14 protected in 2016, top-11 protected in 2017 and top-8 protected in the 2018 NBA Draft.). If Philadelphia does not send Orlando a first round pick by the 2018 NBA Draft, they Philadelphia shall convey their own 2018 and 2019 second round picks to Orlando. [Denver - L.A. Lakers - Orlando - Philadelphia, 8/10/2012]
    (2) -- 12mm Hedo + 7.2 Harrington - 5.9 total salary change between this season and Marvin's contract next year - $3.5 Raja.

    (3) -- Up to $9.5mm with a Harrington buyout.


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    I'm not down on Hayward. But my opinion is both Burks and Bledsoe will be better players than he is if they're not already. It's that simple.
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  2. 01-02-2013, 05:55 PM #2
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    FTR, I think Florida says no but it's a tempting offer.


    Quote Originally Posted by billyshelby View Post
    I'm not down on Hayward. But my opinion is both Burks and Bledsoe will be better players than he is if they're not already. It's that simple.
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  3. 01-02-2013, 05:59 PM #3
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    Didn't Orlando already say no to Bynum?
    (first update) Offseason to-do list:
    (no order)
    1. Let Mo, Foyeeee3, Al (s&t?), Watson, and Tinsley go.
    2. Re-sign Carroll
    3. Draft McCollum, Schroeder, and Giannis (leave the latter two in Europe for a year [maybe two years for Giannis]).
    4. Sign Tony Allen
    5. Try to keep Millsap. If that doesn't work, explore s&t options.
    6. Remove Corbin. Hire Brad Stevens or SVG.
    7. Sign Calderon to a one-year (2 max) deal, or see if the cash-strapped Lakers will let us absorb Nash's last year.
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    I'd do it in a heartbeat for the reasons you mentioned.

    All of these picks and Hayward, Burks, etc. may be enough to move up and get that stud who should go #1 in 2014.
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    Kevin O Connor just said no. Too much work.
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    I'm def not opposed to Baby as a third big.
    (first update) Offseason to-do list:
    (no order)
    1. Let Mo, Foyeeee3, Al (s&t?), Watson, and Tinsley go.
    2. Re-sign Carroll
    3. Draft McCollum, Schroeder, and Giannis (leave the latter two in Europe for a year [maybe two years for Giannis]).
    4. Sign Tony Allen
    5. Try to keep Millsap. If that doesn't work, explore s&t options.
    6. Remove Corbin. Hire Brad Stevens or SVG.
    7. Sign Calderon to a one-year (2 max) deal, or see if the cash-strapped Lakers will let us absorb Nash's last year.
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    Do y'all think big baby wants to be a bench player? Ask Millsap how he feels about it. Same answer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NAOS View Post
    Didn't Orlando already say no to Bynum?
    All Bynum does is facilitate more salary and getting S&T options that won't come with Jefferson. Here's a counter: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=atsp85a

    The Jazz price is down to $7.2mm total, fans get rid of every player we love to hate. Orlando could offer to pull 1 of the two picks owed to them (Denver/NYK is the best of the two) but send $3mm in cash. That's $4.2mm for a #9ish pick and the possibility of that Phili pick coming through.

    Picks: Jazz 10ish, Orlando 9ish, GSW 23ish.


    Quote Originally Posted by billyshelby View Post
    I'm not down on Hayward. But my opinion is both Burks and Bledsoe will be better players than he is if they're not already. It's that simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hack View Post
    Do y'all think big baby wants to be a bench player? Ask Millsap how he feels about it. Same answer.
    Please PM me a comprehensive list of talented players who openly admit to liking the bench. Kthx.
    (first update) Offseason to-do list:
    (no order)
    1. Let Mo, Foyeeee3, Al (s&t?), Watson, and Tinsley go.
    2. Re-sign Carroll
    3. Draft McCollum, Schroeder, and Giannis (leave the latter two in Europe for a year [maybe two years for Giannis]).
    4. Sign Tony Allen
    5. Try to keep Millsap. If that doesn't work, explore s&t options.
    6. Remove Corbin. Hire Brad Stevens or SVG.
    7. Sign Calderon to a one-year (2 max) deal, or see if the cash-strapped Lakers will let us absorb Nash's last year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NAOS View Post
    Please PM me a comprehensive list of talented players who openly admit to liking the bench. Kthx.
    No need to Pm


    Here is the list.

    Sixth man of the year awards winners.
    White guys
    Guys just happy to be there
    Older stars joined up on championship competing teams
    Most rookies
    Nice guys
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    Quote Originally Posted by NAOS View Post
    Please PM me a comprehensive list of talented players who openly admit to liking the bench. Kthx.
    crawford, ginobli, terry, camby for a while, martin, taj gibson, battier, lou williams, korver off the top of my head
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hack View Post
    No need to Pm


    Here is the list.

    Sixth man of the year awards winners. ,crawford, ginobli, terry, battier
    White guys korver, battier
    Guys just happy to be there taj gibson. battier
    Older stars joined up on championship competing teams martin, camby for a while, battier,
    Most rookies battier
    Nice guysginobli, terry, camby for a while, martin, taj gibson, battier, lou williams, korver
    Quote Originally Posted by jope View Post
    crawford, ginobli, terry, camby for a while, martin, taj gibson, battier, lou williams, korver off the top of my head
    Repetitive (& fixed, so HH don't bitch).
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    Quote Originally Posted by billyshelby View Post
    I'm not down on Hayward. But my opinion is both Burks and Bledsoe will be better players than he is if they're not already. It's that simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gyp Rosetti View Post
    I'd do it in a heartbeat for the reasons you mentioned.

    All of these picks and Hayward, Burks, etc. may be enough to move up and get that stud who should go #1 in 2014.
    No team will trade the #1 pick in 2014. Guarantee it.
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    I don't get how buyouts work. You said Turkoglu's 12 mil could be bought out, does that mean the Jazz amnesty him or do we come to an agreement with him so we can cut his contract?

    and big baby will not be our 3rd big, lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bovice View Post
    I don't get how buyouts work. You said Turkoglu's 12 mil could be bought out, does that mean the Jazz amnesty him or do we come to an agreement with him so we can cut his contract?

    Yup, buy him out entirely and release him to FA.

    Quote Originally Posted by bovice View Post
    and big baby will not be our 3rd big, lol.




    Quote Originally Posted by billyshelby View Post
    I'm not down on Hayward. But my opinion is both Burks and Bledsoe will be better players than he is if they're not already. It's that simple.
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