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    Opposing PG Stat Stuff

    Okay...

    All season long, I have observed us failing to adequately defend opposing PGs on a regular basis. More often than not they seem like they can do whatever they want against our defense.


    So I was messing around with Excel, trying to learn some new formulas.

    So I decided to look at the impact the opposing PGs (starting and backup) have had on our team all season, and ran some calculations on opposing PG performance, and our overall success.





    Now, as a reference

    The 2 Opposing PG's (primary + backup) average 21.8 ppg on 46.08%

    Even including earl (which i only looked at 2 PGs from other teams), the 3 of our main pgs have combined to average 18ppg on 36.1% shooting



    Take from it what you will, but this (i feel) just validates with numbers, the overall dilemma we are in, and how big of an impact a PG (especially one who can defend adequately) has on winning for this team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biggs View Post
    So I was very mad about the game, but I wasn't going to vent here, because you guys all feel the same way. However, Ty's postgame interview got my blood boiling. On why he let Trey and Gordon play while having bad games, "You gotta let them battle through it because that's what you gotta do." Really are you kidding me. You have to balls to say that when you pulled Alec after 16 minutes against LAC and Kanter got 19 minutes toinght?

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    Corbin is an idiot. He never puts Jeremy Evans on opposing point guards when it's soooo obvious to the rest of us. Evans doesn't even have to guard them all he has to do is run the baseline taunting them to shoot. Then he flies out of nowhere and blocks three pointers with his elbow. They'll be forced to shoot half court shots every single time. Why is Corbin so damn dense and doesn't realize this?

    To be serious, yeah, Jazz need a point guard. Mo is only adequate if he's the fifth best player on the court.
    No Mediocrity

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    I think Locke said it today that Earl Watson is statistically the worst point gaurd in the league getting +15 minutes

    I mean Earl is so bad, that the D-League is preparing a cease and desist form for when Earl goes to the D-League when he's done with the NBA.
    Usually the D-League isn't this on top of things, but Earl's an exception.

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    Thanks for the digits.

    Like a MAC truck, everybody should have seen this coming.

    Aight, laterz, time for another game of solitaire.

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    It seems like you aren`t counting the minutes for the two opposing PGs - you`re just adding the percentages and dividing them by two?

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    Well done, I was looking at when the opposing team PG's score less than 20 and see you only have 2 losses in the category when we actually have 6 in that instance. Then the records add up to our current record. I remember we had a major problem guarding PG's last year, but I thought it had somewhat been corrected. Clearly it has not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hedda Gambler View Post
    It seems like you aren`t counting the minutes for the two opposing PGs - you`re just adding the percentages and dividing them by two?
    Yeah that pretty much throws off that column. Game 23 against the Spurs TP went 8/18 and Patty Mills went 3/3 so the % should've been 52.38% instead of 72.2%.

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    I think our pg's numbers would be better if the jazz would just kick watson to the curb and play the big backcourt lineup (burks, foye) when tinsley is out

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hedda Gambler View Post
    It seems like you aren`t counting the minutes for the two opposing PGs - you`re just adding the percentages and dividing them by two?
    Nope its not weighted. But a better weight would be accounting for the amount of shots compared to the percentage of completion, I don't think minutes really influences percentages much

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    Quote Originally Posted by dipship31 View Post
    Yeah that pretty much throws off that column. Game 23 against the Spurs TP went 8/18 and Patty Mills went 3/3 so the % should've been 52.38% instead of 72.2%.
    Ya, it started out as me trying to figure out some if then functions in excel and it evolved into that spread sheet. I was far too lazy to look up 40 box scores worth of shot totals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jope View Post
    Okay...

    All season long, I have observed us failing to adequately defend opposing PGs on a regular basis. More often than not they seem like they can do whatever they want against our defense.


    So I was messing around with Excel, trying to learn some new formulas.

    So I decided to look at the impact the opposing PGs (starting and backup) have had on our team all season, and ran some calculations on opposing PG performance, and our overall success.





    Now, as a reference

    The 2 Opposing PG's (primary + backup) average 21.8 ppg on 46.08%

    Even including earl (which i only looked at 2 PGs from other teams), the 3 of our main pgs have combined to average 18ppg on 36.1% shooting



    Take from it what you will, but this (i feel) just validates with numbers, the overall dilemma we are in, and how big of an impact a PG (especially one who can defend adequately) has on winning for this team.
    this is pretty cool bro. can u do the same thing for last year (with Harris)? i think it would give us some perspectivism.

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