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    What the celtics record with said all star?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vermin View Post
    What the celtics record with said all star?
    In a crappy Eastern conference + 2 more 2013 All Stars (Kevin Garnett and likely Paul Pierce)

    They have a 20-20 record. Worse than the Jazz in a much easier conference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vermin View Post
    What the celtics record with said all star?
    It's not their fault Corbin is 10x the coach that Doc Rivers is.

    Or that the FO signed the undersized, over-the-hill version of Randy Foye who can't shoot anymore. Or that Bass/Green is their forward combo. Or that Garnett is too old to play 30 mpg.
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    Quote Originally Posted by franklin View Post
    It's not their fault Corbin is 10x the coach that Doc Rivers is.

    Or that the FO signed the undersized, over-the-hill version of Randy Foye who can't shoot anymore. Or that Bass/Green is their forward combo. Or that Garnett is too old to play 30 mpg.
    The point is that Rondingo does not fix anything. Im all for swinging for the fences, but not for Rondo. I like him, just not enough to give up on Favors or Kanter without seeing what they can do with consistent minutes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vermin View Post
    The point is that Rondingo does not fix anything. Im all for swinging for the fences, but not for Rondo. I like him, just not enough to give up on Favors or Kanter without seeing what they can do with consistent minutes.
    I get your point. Only difference between us is how much we value Rondo. Well, that and I am much more sexy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vermin View Post
    The point is that Rondingo does not fix anything. Im all for swinging for the fences, but not for Rondo. I like him, just not enough to give up on Favors or Kanter without seeing what they can do with consistent minutes.
    Who interests you most as far as potential trade targets?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vermin View Post
    The point is that Rondingo does not fix anything. Im all for swinging for the fences, but not for Rondo. I like him, just not enough to give up on Favors or Kanter without seeing what they can do with consistent minutes.
    Favors is a big cost but the way I look at it is a sum of C + PG. Rondo plus Favors' replacement is going to be much better than anything the Jazz will be able to fill in the point guard hole with. Plus, the Jazz defense problem starts on the perimeter. I like the defense of Rondo, Hayward at the 2, and am serious about overpaying Iggy at the 3 for 2 years or so. Keep Sap and replace Jefferson with a player who gives a damn and that team would be a solid top 4 seed, especially considering Hayward's growth.
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    Not sure I would do favors though, cuz like someone said earlier rondo would make favors a super star and Hayward would be amazing next to rondo in the back court.

    So let Boston have a choice between burks/Kanter and Al/Paul and picks!! To me if Boston is ready to blow it up this would give them a good young piece and some picks to rebuild plus cap space!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zulu View Post
    Not sure I would do favors though, cuz like someone said earlier rondo would make favors a super star and Hayward would be amazing next to rondo in the back court.

    So let Boston have a choice between burks/Kanter and Al/Paul and picks!! To me if Boston is ready to blow it up this would give them a good young piece and some picks to rebuild plus cap space!!
    C'mon Zu, take one for the team!!!
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    I would also ask for Sullinger or Melo back in this deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by franklin View Post
    I guess you haven't seen what players like James Harden mean to their teams. Rockets have jack squat and Harden, and about the same record as a team you wouldn't trade ONE player off of?

    I'd give up Favors, GSW pick, Jazz 2013 & 2015 1st, & Burks for an All Star of Rondo's caliber.

    Fill the team in with JJ Hickson, Boozer's amnestied contract, David West, specialists like Korver who add way more than Foye, get Iguodala to terminate and sign a multi-year deal...fill in like this, but first take Rondo and run with it.
    I would give up Favors for Harden. Not for Rondo. Rondo is a very, very nice player, but he isn't a number one or two. If he was, Boston would be a whole heck of a lot better.

    Harden is a number 1 option. Rondo is a number 3 option. Rondo is a lot less effective as "the guy" and you want to trade away Favors, THREE first round picks, AND Burks? You are beyond crazy.

    I'm not banging on Rondo at all. BUT, if the Jazz want any shot at competing for a title, they NEED Favors to pan out. Desperately. Rondo is Favors' best shot at panning out. So why would you trade Favors for the player you are bringing in to make Favors great?

    Rondo won't make Al better. Al is Al. Paul is too small to carry a team. Hayward could be the guy, but he needs the ball in his hands, as does Rondo (as evidenced by his 12 fga and 11 assists per game). You DO NOT trade for Rondo with Al still on the team. They are not made for each other.

    You DO TRADE for Rondo with Favors on the team. I picture Favors and Rondo running an amazing P&R together, ala Nash/Stoudemire.

    Why would you trade away that when you could give up Kanter, Millsap or Al, especially when Boston will want a name back for Rondo and Favor's ain't a name. To average Boston fan, Favors is just a top three pick bust. They would have the same opinion of Favors that we had for Marvin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by franklin View Post
    Favors is a big cost but the way I look at it is a sum of C + PG. Rondo plus Favors' replacement is going to be much better than anything the Jazz will be able to fill in the point guard hole with. Plus, the Jazz defense problem starts on the perimeter. I like the defense of Rondo, Hayward at the 2, and am serious about overpaying Iggy at the 3 for 2 years or so. Keep Sap and replace Jefferson with a player who gives a damn and that team would be a solid top 4 seed, especially considering Hayward's growth.

    Wow. That is an AWFUL team. Rondo can't shoot the three (25%), Iggy can't shoot the three (31%), Sap can't carry a team, and you can't get a replacement for Favors.

    Why are so intent on giving up Favors and THREE first round picks when Boston (if they are even going to move Rondo) would most likely rather have Al?

    I like Rondo, I would LOVE to have him and Favors together. He is not a number 1, and building a team around him is crazy. Look at Boston.

    Building a team around Favors, with Hayward, Rondo, Kanter is a much, much, much better idea.

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    I'm not sure where Rondo being the first option ever came up, green. I'm not sure many teams want their PG to be the first or even second option. Rather, you want your PG to just make everyone on the team a little bit better..

    I know that was obvious, but I am confoosed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by green View Post
    Wow. That is an AWFUL team. Rondo can't shoot the three (25%), Iggy can't shoot the three (31%), Sap can't carry a team, and you can't get a replacement for Favors.

    Why are so intent on giving up Favors and THREE first round picks when Boston (if they are even going to move Rondo) would most likely rather have Al?

    I like Rondo, I would LOVE to have him and Favors together. He is not a number 1, and building a team around him is crazy. Look at Boston.

    Building a team around Favors, with Hayward, Rondo, Kanter is a much, much, much better idea.
    Just because?

    The way you make it sound, Jazz have a deal. I win, you're ****ed, we're all happy, you're ****ed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by green View Post
    Wow. That is an AWFUL team. Rondo can't shoot the three (25%), Iggy can't shoot the three (31%), Sap can't carry a team, and you can't get a replacement for Favors.

    Why are so intent on giving up Favors and THREE first round picks when Boston (if they are even going to move Rondo) would most likely rather have Al?

    I like Rondo, I would LOVE to have him and Favors together. He is not a number 1, and building a team around him is crazy. Look at Boston.

    Building a team around Favors, with Hayward, Rondo, Kanter is a much, much, much better idea.
    Who the **** would rather have Al than Favors? Uh, no one, that's who.

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