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    Quote Originally Posted by //r00t 4 Jazz View Post
    Oh and it just hit me think it was Rev9 who said or was talking about Indi's coach. You don't think part of the reason George is playing more is at least partly due to the injury to Granger? Oh and despite him being so much better of a coach he only has 2-3 more wins this season playing against Leastern conference teams and having a max money guy on his team.
    Before you say yes but Granger is out see the Paul George playing time argument as well as they are deep at that position and could adjust easier mean while for the Jazz their thinnest position PG had Mo Williams hurt and if you don't think that playing more Watson and Tinsley affects the Jazz winning or losing I do not know what to say.
    Does that excuse Corbin's end of game decision-making or lack thereof? No. Get your head out of your ass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Revolution 9 View Post
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    Doesn't mean much coming from the guy who was the most vocal about firing Sloan.


    Corbin is an excellent development coach for these young guys & Corbin seems to compliment him very well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by franklin View Post
    Doesn't mean much coming from the guy who was the most vocal about firing Sloan.


    Corbin is an excellent development coach for these young guys & Corbin seems to compliment him very well.
    Corbin wasn't even remotely interested in developing Burks until injuries forced his hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sneakers View Post
    Corbin wasn't even remotely interested in developing Burks until injuries forced his hand.
    Getting PT in games isn't the only way to develop, I doubt he was just ignoring Burks all year. Hell maybe he developed him so well that he is now playing well?

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    I am not saying that Corbin doesn't make mistakes and doesn't piss me off every game (mainly due to substitutions) but then Sloan did as well. I guess the difference is I don't think Corbin has had a negative result in the wins or losses and the players/locker room are still behind him so he has to have some kind of positive relationship with the players.
    So as has been said in this or one of the many other fire Corbin threads, there are very few difference maker coaches (2 maybe 3 actively coaching) that actively play a role of their team getting multiple more wins than if just an average "also ran" coached the team.

    Then there is above average coaches that may get a few more wins then the average coach would hard to say how many but arguable there are 3 to 5 of these coaches and then there is the rest of the NBA coaches that are average coaches that don't really influence negative or positive and that's where I put Corbin. These coaches are often retreaded coaches that get passed a long from team to team as well. Difference being IMO is that Corbin is still young and learning so like any young player I am giving him time to learn and improve.
    Again none of the difference maker coaches are coming to Utah so I think trying to grow a coach is the best approach similar to players the best and almost only way Utah will get a AS level player is to draft and grow them.

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    So there's a twitter war going on now between competing Jazz blogs. Apparently people are claiming that Corbin criticism is due to race / racism, and not actual coaching. The guy could be Albino for all I care and I would not like what he's doing with the vet treatment and the starting lineup - my two biggest complaints of him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by //r00t 4 Jazz View Post
    I am not saying that Corbin doesn't make mistakes and doesn't piss me off every game (mainly due to substitutions) but then Sloan did as well. I guess the difference is I don't think Corbin has had a negative result in the wins or losses and the players/locker room are still behind him so he has to have some kind of positive relationship with the players.
    Perhaps. The Jazz have played without much energy too many times lately. To me, that seems like a coaching problem. There's very little player movement on offense; that's a coaching problem. And who can blame the players? Why run around and cut, trying to get open when you know the ball is just going inside to Jefferson. The only option is to try and free yourself up for offensive rebounds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoTown16 View Post
    Perhaps. The Jazz have played without much energy too many times lately. To me, that seems like a coaching problem. There's very little player movement on offense; that's a coaching problem. And who can blame the players? Why run around and cut, trying to get open when you know the ball is just going inside to Jefferson. The only option is to try and free yourself up for offensive rebounds.
    I guess I could be naive and/or gullible that when Corbin mentions the team needs to move and cut more he really means it and is telling/coaching them to, however I do agree he could better control that situation by using minutes specifically taking them away if players don't.
    Although I could then see it working against the team and him if he has to make to many subs and nobody gets in any rhythm (people were complaining about that early in the season) and then players could get frustrated and then he could lose the locker room.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sneakers View Post
    So there's a twitter war going on now between competing Jazz blogs. Apparently people are claiming that Corbin criticism is due to race / racism, and not actual coaching. The guy could be Albino for all I care and I would not like what he's doing with the vet treatment and the starting lineup - my two biggest complaints of him.
    What blogs?

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    Fans do need to stop criticizing the look on his face. That's just how he looks.

    But stuff like this is stupid. Sometimes the media really misunderstands fans. As a whole I believe people in large groups will react in similar ways to situations. Right now fans are pissed because he has all our favorite players on the bench.

    Not sure if that's Ty's fault. Would you dare bench Millsap or Jefferson? Look what happened with Bell, and he actually sucked. And I do believe Ty moved Hayward to the bench to give him more opportunities. Hayward is up for an extension, and it wouldn't be good for him if he was in Marvin's current role.

    All in all, the front office should have made moves that signaled commitments to certain players by now. I'll stop watching if they don't do something by the trade deadline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by //r00t 4 Jazz View Post
    I guess I could be naive and/or gullible that when Corbin mentions the team needs to move and cut more he really means it and is telling/coaching them to, however I do agree he could better control that situation by using minutes specifically taking them away if players don't.
    Although I could then see it working against the team and him if he has to make to many subs and nobody gets in any rhythm (people were complaining about that early in the season) and then players could get frustrated and then he could lose the locker room.
    Jerry wasn't afraid to ruffle the players feathers. He held people accountable and let players know when they hadn't met his expectations. He might not have been every players favorite person, but he wasn't trying to be their friend. Everyone knew what their role was, and how they were expected to fill that role. Even when players were mad at Jerry, they still played hard.

    With Ty, no one knows what to expect. There is no rythm now, so I don't understand why taking minutes away for not hustling or playing defense (Al) or jacking up shots (Foye) would change anything. If Al can just jog up and down the floor and take stupid shots all game, why should he change? Why should anyone else try in that situation? Kanter can be killing it, but Al needs his minutes, so out he comes, never to be heard from again. There is no consistency or accountability from Corbin, that is how you lose a locker room.

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    You draft players.
    You trade for players.
    You teach players.
    You work every angle you can to get the players you want that will fit under the salary cap.
    But for chrissake, you HIRE the damn coach--it's the one position where the FO gets to review resumes and pick from candidates... and his salary doesn't count against the cap. Why must we settle for mediocrity?

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    So I assume that with a 'real' coach, as some of you think we need, we would be a top 4 team in the west with all the talent we have?
    Someone please tell me the coach first, then how many MORE wins we would have right now.
    Please no comments from the "lets tank and get picks" crowd...

    Im not a huge fan of Ty, but its a bit lame, IMO, to think we wouldnt be in pretty much the same spot with anyone else coaching.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sneakers View Post
    Corbin wasn't even remotely interested in developing Burks until injuries forced his hand.
    I was talking about the Big 3. Who said anything about Alec Benchie?

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