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    Quote Originally Posted by midnight_hwy View Post
    Just as Hayward benefited by going to the second unit, I would think Marvin would be more of a part of the offense as well in the second unit.

    Dmc really should be in the starting unit, as the things that he does, are sorely needed in the starting unit. Maybe they would play with a little more hustle and desire.
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    If I had to make two changes to the starting unit it would be Carroll for Marvin and Favors for Millsap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CitizenofCapua View Post
    A true SF should create his own shot or have a post up game at a reasonable level at least. If you cant do these things and still get 8 mil. per year, you are overpaid.
    WHO KNOWS IF HE CAN DO THOSE THINGS.

    HE IS THE FRIGGIN 5TH OPTION

    to do those things he needs the ball.
    his job on this team is dump the ball down to al and stand somehwere to jack up a shot when the shotclock is down and al passed it out
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    Quote Originally Posted by DutchJazzer View Post
    WHO KNOWS IF HE CAN DO THOSE THINGS.

    HE IS THE FRIGGIN 5TH OPTION

    to do those things he needs the ball.
    his job on this team is dump the ball down to al and stand somehwere to jack up a shot when the shotclock is down and al passed it out
    I've seen enough to decide that he cant do these things properly and not like he is not getting any touches to prove me wrong, or showing some flashes that he has it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SiroMar View Post
    Typically, players use the first few seasons to hone their skills and perfect what they already know so that their advantages in college continue to be so in the NBA. Millsap was not forced to develop his jumper in his rookie or sophomore year, since that would have been an idiotic move on a cosmic scale. His PF skills needed a lot of work before any attempt to expand his game. Similarly, Favors strengths are all wasted. It's not like he has a great offensive game outside of the post. All that "playing outside of his comfort zone" will accomplish, is to add another set of poorly developed skills that are simply not helpful at this level of basketball.

    Also, I find it strange that those strategies all involve close minded systematic approach to basketball. It's not like Favors is encouraged to pass in a PnR situation, thus adding dimensionality to one of his strengths. Hell, AJ was lauded for learning to pass every now and then when he gets the ball in the post. To Corbin, not shooting the ball every single time you touch it is an achievement worth publicizing.

    Ironically, I would be more accepting of the approach if it was taken with the mentality you seem to espouse. I would not agree with it. But I would accept that my basketball knowledge pales in comparison to people who have been around the NBA for decades. But that's not it. Corbin is simply not an NBA level headcoach. He's the perfect yesman in an organization that no longer cares about high level competition, and is contented offering a passable product that brings in moderate profits with little risk.
    Yeah there's a lot of different ways to look at developing players.
    You say that Favors doesn't have a great offensive game outside the post but I've seen him getting adding new things into his arsenal almost game by game. He's passing better off the post, his touch around the rim and ability to use the left hand...all these are things that are improving. If you talk to any New Jersey fan, they'll agree.
    It makes sense to me to get him to develop multiple skills even if they're not as great as his strengths because once teams scout the strengths, then all you're left with are your other skills.

    As an example, look at Dwight- He didn't develop skills, his strength was overpowering his opponent in the post and scoring.
    Now all teams have to do is foul him or get him past the key and he doesn't have anything else to go to.

    Anyways, I hope that's how the Jazz are developing the youngsters and that that's why they only see time against 2nd tier players. Otherwise, we've had a stupid coach and management system all along.

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    At this point, Marvin for expiring(s) and two 2nds sounds extremely appealing. So did hiring me two years ago though too. So I'm not sure what to think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HipHopAnonymous View Post
    He averages 7 shots a game. So they just need to find him one more shot (on average) per game to turn him into a decent starter?

    I'd rather give his 26 minutes a game to Carroll and Carroll's 17 minutes a game to Williams. I think you'd have a better chance for production that way.
    Averages can be deceiving. Yes, a couple of games he'll get 10 or 15 shots. Then he'll have between 2-4 for several games. He needs to consistently get 7-8 shots and when he's extremely hot, you keep feeding him. All you really need to do is have Jefferson shoot 3-4 fewer shots, have Foye control his chucking and pass the ball occasionally to Marvin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoked View Post
    If I had to make two changes to the starting unit it would be Carroll for Marvin and Favors for Millsap.
    I agree with you there. Marvin should come off the bench where he'll get more chances to score. Carroll is better at rebounding Al's misses.

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    Jefferson just needs to be limited to 10 attempts a game and he probably would improve his efficiency. Why have we anointed him the one to shoot at will anyways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weezur View Post
    I'm convinced that this is a developmental season where Burks/Favors/Kanter/Hayward all play outside their comfort zone and try to add more skill set against the bench. It's a good thing because it'll allow Favors and Kanter to be more than one-dimensional. Same with Burks though he's got it harder because he has to play a position where he isn't supposed to be on all the time and a position where he is supposed to be on all the time.
    That's why we haven't seen a lot of Kanter pick and pop, not much Favors PnR, or Burks driving in. Hayward's a couple years ahead in terms of being multi-dimensional so he can focus on just dominating the court.

    Anyways, that's just a theory. It could be that the coaching and managing of the Jazz sucks really bad and then we're all screwed and life sucks and Corbins a hack and the city will move and Windows 8 sucks.
    This.

    I don't get all the Corbin tantrums when he has explicitly said he is trying to bring certain young guys along, & these guys have shown dramatic improvements over their raw baselines. We will look back in a few years hearing these kids praising Corbin's role in pushing them toward All Star status.

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    Is it possible the plan is too tank NEXT year so we can add wiggins or Jabari to our young group? Seems somewhat smart.

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    Get rid of Al, Mo, Marvin, and most importantly, Hayward have significant gains in their game.

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    Yes - at times Marvin is invisible, yes - his shooting percentages are a little lower than you would hope, and yes - his production is not matching the $15.8 mil the Jazz will likely be paying him over the next 2 seasons.
    That said - I can't find a single reason to fault his play because he has one of the toughest roles (or lack thereof) on the team.
    1) He plays the first 10 minutes of the game and when Hayward's healthy it's common if he never sees the floor again.
    2) The Jazz will run maybe 1 pin-down or curl for him near the outset and after that his points are limited to transition opportunities (which have declined since Mo went out) and spot-up 3's w/the shotclock winding down.
    3) For the most part he's played solid defense and hasn't appeared to sulk or complain about his role, shots or minutes.
    He's not Shane Battier but the Jazz are trying to use him in that role - and that's really asking alot.
    No doubt in my mind you put him out there w/Deron, Boozer & Memo and his shooting percentages shoot up. With the group he plays I really think he's playing as well as he could possibly play given the circumstances.

    I was against acquiring him because of his salary but I'm actually hoping he opts-in (he likely will) because w/so few players under contract - his salary could be a valuable piece in a trade that the Jazz could facilitate (such as a situation where Utah needs to include someone/something in a trade & Marvin gives them an alternative to including one of the core-4) between now and this summer because of all their 2013 cap-space.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SiroMar View Post
    Do you remember how Favors was forced into AJ-style basketball and we got to watch hilariously awkward post moves for a season and a half? What ever happened with that? Is the team running PnR with Favors now? or is still the same comedy routine? How about Burks? Can he drive and create his own offense, or is he still forced to "play within the offense" at all costs? Do we still feed the ball to AJ every time down the court then take a nap?
    Tyrone Corbin is still the head coach, yes.

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    Tonight DMC played most of his minutes with the first unit and we all saw his contribution. So making an excuse for Marvin about his passiveness like "he is looking bad cause he gets his burn with the first unit and especially with Big Al" is sounds even funnier right now.
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