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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrone Torbin View Post
    But they also can't afford to pay Millsap and get a quality wing in FA.
    They can deal with that during the summer and try to move DeAndre Jordan. That's the contract that's hurting them. I just don't know if they'd roll the dice with Derrick Williams. They're risk-averse. Win games and Vinny might keep his job. Win games and keep cap room, and they'll have Chris Paul re-signed. Derrick Williams is a non-sequitor. Whereas, I think the Jazz would just send Sap to Minny for Williams and Roy's deal.
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    Realistically, Chris Paul may need to take a bit less money to leave some cap room to attract another free agent. Probably he'd do that.
    The Jazz play like azz when the J ain't workin'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catchall View Post
    They can deal with that during the summer and try to move DeAndre Jordan. That's the contract that's hurting them. I just don't know if they'd roll the dice with Derrick Williams. They're risk-averse. Win games and Vinny might keep his job. Win games and keep cap room, and they'll have Chris Paul re-signed. Derrick Williams is a non-sequitor. Whereas, I think the Jazz would just send Sap to Minny for Williams and Roy's deal.
    They don't want to move Jordan.....
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    honestly I see the jazz leaking this o put pressure on the clips to make a move. let them know the jazz have other options.

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    I think your trade is good if the Clips are willing to tie up $8M in Derrick Williams and Luke Ridnour, but I doubt that's on-strategy for them. Their posture has been to get quality vets as cheaply as they can. DeAndre Jordan is a trade chip if they want to move him. Chris Paul, Blake Griffin and one more guy gives them a solid core. Then they've got DeAndre Jordan, and they mix and match from there.
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    Same player as far as I'm concerned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xthren View Post
    honestly I see the jazz leaking this o put pressure on the clips to make a move. let them know the jazz have other options.
    I'm guessing the Clips want a pick or a guy like Alec Burks. It's a contest to see who blinks first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catchall View Post
    I'm guessing the Clips want a pick or a guy like Alec Burks. It's a contest to see who blinks first.
    No doubt they are playing hardball right now. A few hours before the deadline both sides will give their best offer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cctrackstar View Post
    Same player as far as I'm concerned.
    Pretty much, but one is younger, more athletic, paid less, and already accepts a bench role.



    More I think about it, I want the Jazz to trade Milsap and effort Jefferson this summer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mellow View Post
    Pretty much, but one is younger, more athletic, paid less, and already accepts a bench role.
    Jesus. Younger, more athletic, and sucks ass. Millsap is a quality starter in the league. Williams can't hit a layup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hotttnickkk View Post
    While we're waiting on the Bledsoe trade...... in case it doesn't work out. Would you do this trade?
    I have no idea Minny would want Paul (Love, AK, Pek) but I'd offer Paul/Burks for DWill/Ridnour/MEM's 1st

    I'd only do this if the organization believes DWill can be our future SF.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PrinceJL View Post
    I have no idea Minny would want Paul (Love, AK, Pek) but I'd offer Paul/Burks for DWill/Ridnour/MEM's 1st
    So the Jazz give up the best player, Millsap, and arguably the player with the most upside, Burks, for a mediocre tweener, a short-term mediocre solution at the 1 (which can easily be found this summer in free agency) and a late 1st? Why? Burks + Millsap's S&T value are better than that package.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catchall View Post
    So the Wolves don't have their own pick this year? Where'd it go?
    Posted about this earlier but got it wrong:
    Minnesota TWolves have the Memphis Grizzlies (not Houston Rockets, that I said earlier) 2013 first-rounder (top-14 protected)
    Phoenix Suns have Minnesota TWolves 2013 first-rounder (top-13 protected)

    If Minnesota is entitled to the Memphis first-rounder this year, then they will convey the less favorable of the two to the Suns (so the Memphis pick anyways). This is somewhat relevant because it seems like the TWolves will be losing the Memphis pick regardless. If they trade it now, the only downside is they just still owe their pick to Phoenix (top-13 protected in 2014, top-12 protected in 2015, top-12 protected in 2016, 2016 and 2017 2nd round picks after that)

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    Quote Originally Posted by GVC View Post
    So the Jazz give up the best player, Millsap, and arguably the player with the most upside, Burks, for a mediocre tweener, a short-term mediocre solution at the 1 (which can easily be found this summer in free agency) and a late 1st? Why? Burks + Millsap's S&T value are better than that package.
    I agree. At least Bledsoe has superior speed that would benefit our fast breaks. Williams, while talented, seems to be stuck between being too big and slow to be a SF while not quite intense enough or tall enough to guard the PF position. Plus, I also don't think he's as intelligent as Millsap. Millsap is one of our smartest players.

    In my mind, no matter what happens, I keep seeing Millsap ending up on a team like the Heat. He'd fit perfectly on a team like that where he doesn't need to score but still gets his stats because he's scrappy.
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    Maybe Jazz add Marvin Williams for Brandon Roy and a pick?

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