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    Stake Pres issues a warning...

    This has generated over 2400 comments on the Tribune's website. Do you think he will be released? What will happen? Do you agree w/him? What are your feelings with religious leaders using the pulpit to spew their political views?

    http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/55...isser.html.csp

    An LDS stake president in Sandy did something in a speech earlier this month that other Mormon leaders have done many times: He warned that evil is corrupting the world.

    Then President Matthew DeVisser did something few LDS leaders ever do over the pulpit: He rattled off a number of Republican talking points, lamenting that voters last year chose “socialism over capitalism, entitlements over free enterprise, redistribution and regulation over self-reliance.”

    DeVisser, who oversees a number of LDS congregations in the south valley, never referred to President Barack Obama or his Mormon opponent, GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney, in his speech Feb. 3 to the Hidden Valley Stake Conference but did say 2012 would “prove to be one of the more significant years in our lifetime.”

    He cited evidence of the nation’s declining values, including an effort to raise taxes during “the worst economic times since the Great Depression,” some states legalizing same-sex marriage, government-funded abortions and the frenzy leading up to the “fiscal cliff.”

    “The U.N. ambassador,” he added, “was instructed by the White House to cover up what happened in Libya, attempting to minimize the deaths of four Americans who were murdered.”

    In the speech, DeVisser — who did not return calls seeking comment for this story — said he did not intend to be controversial or political, but was directed in his thinking by the “Holy Ghost.”

    He later emailed a copy of the speech to a Mormon in his stake and, within days, it was being forwarded, posted and linked online. Soon it had gone viral on the Internet, appearing on more than 200 websites, blogs and Facebook pages, generating heated debates between believers on the political left and right.
    Lakers Suck.

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    A lack of separation between church and state in Utah? Earth shattering news!
    My love for Gordy Hayward is unabashed.

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    Whether he is right or wrong he sounds like a ****.

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    Mormon stuff right?

    k.
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    This stake Prez needs to know, right now, that UGLI baby is NOT entertained by his little charades/chananigans.
    #dumptruckin

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    Quote Originally Posted by PKM View Post
    This stake Prez needs to know, right now, that UGLI baby is NOT entertained by his little charades/chananigans.
    Wake me up when someone from the bishoprick speaks on the matter.
    #lol

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    Modz merge with DATYONA thread
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    Quote Originally Posted by UGLI baby View Post
    Wake me up when someone from the bishoprick speaks on the matter.
    sackroledge!
    #dumptruckin

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    Quote Originally Posted by honz View Post
    A lack of separation between church and state in Utah? Earth shattering news!
    Wow...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scat View Post
    Wow...
    Tell me I'm wrong. This story doesn't anger me in any way, by the way...was just making a general comment.

    My feelings on this go all the way back to when Utah tried to take my concert going rights away as a teenager. If you think the LDS religion doesn't directly affect politics and politicians in this state, you crazy.
    My love for Gordy Hayward is unabashed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by honz View Post
    Tell me I'm wrong. This story doesn't anger me in any way, by the way...was just making a general comment.

    My feelings on this go all the way back to when Utah tried to take my concert going rights away as a teenager. If you think the LDS religion doesn't directly affect politics and politicians in this state, you crazy.
    He said what probably 95% of Utah Mormons think. They may not use those same words, but it is in line with their thoughts. The reason this is in the news is that he is in a position of leadership and used that to actually say it.
    And yes, the Church has a huge influence in the politics of this state. That's only natural since the majority of the population is Mormon (thus naturally the elected leaders are as well).

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    we were visiting my father in law yesterday. . . . he had his little stack of church flyers out on the living room table. Not LDS.

    There was a huge takedown in the pastor's editorial of not just Obama and the whole DINO/CFR agenda. . . .. but of the RINO/CFR agenda as well. . . . making no distinction but that Arnold Toynabe had prophesied the coming of Postmodernism, the breakdown of American Society and the American Nation along the lines of us becoming too rich, too powerful, and too conceited to abide by sound truths unless we buck the trends of the the past twenty one great civilizations and have some sort of return as a society to the virtues that once prospered us as a people.

    I haven't seen anyone in here, yet, except possibly Thriller, really really getting all hot and bothered like true progressives about the nefarious evils of the influence of obsolete and unfounded religious beliefs in undermining Science, Evolution, Socialism, and the wonders of Intellectuals and Professionals born and bred in the wonderland of Secular Humanism and the Self-Ordained Right to Rule All Mankind By The Precepts of Godless Faith our national government vests in All The Best Cartel Lobbyists, but no doubt it's just because it's patently offensive to pan Mormonism in a privately-owned forum whose owner is actually one of Them.

    I'll tell you what, Thriller, I'll start a thread about Obama's "Pastor" and the things Obama believes should be the precepts behind our government, OK?

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    Quote Originally Posted by honz View Post
    Tell me I'm wrong. This story doesn't anger me in any way, by the way...was just making a general comment.

    My feelings on this go all the way back to when Utah tried to take my concert going rights away as a teenager. If you think the LDS religion doesn't directly affect politics and politicians in this state, you crazy.
    You're wrong. This isn't a case of separation of church and state. That pertains to the First Amendment.

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    Like I said I really could care less about this "story". I guess I should have started my own thread to bitch about basically having to convert to the LDS religion in order to be a scout/boy scout in this state, only being able to have 2 drinks per hour with your dinner whether you are driving or not, not being able to get some of my favorite microbrews in this state because of its liquor laws, and taking away one of my favorite clean activities because of the poisonous alcohol that is served in the upstairs of concert venues that you have to be 21 and have a wristband to get access to. Look, I made a huge sacrifice to move back to this state so I can't think that poorly of it, but the LDS religion definitely overreaches its boundaries at time when it comes to politics.

    Keep popping those legal painkillers though, Utah.
    My love for Gordy Hayward is unabashed.

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    Religion has no obligation to stay out of politics. It's the government that has a responsibility to stay out of religion. That said, of course people's beliefs affect their political views, so in that way without any direct effort at all the LDS church has an enormous amount of influence on the political decisions made in this state. The stake president took things a step further and from his official position in the church he advocated to his fellow church members specific political views. If the LDS church is cool with that then it is what it is. No wrong was done. But as far as I know the LDS church claims it stays out of these political issues, only advocating for certain moral issues that enter the political sphere. So, this issue is entirely within the LDS church. If they support those actions or not then that's their right.

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