Is Hayward a victim of reverse racism on this board?

[Stoked]

I know we've had a discussion where I explained why that is not like my posiiton at all. I supposed I am expecting too much for you to remember that.

i am just having a good time. i thought it would make you shake your head and smile.

[Hartsock]

Ok so let me get this straight.... so if an african american does not like you because you are white but he doesn't have more money, higher job status, or power over you then who cares?

So basically if an african american who is broke and has no job decides to burn your house down just because he doesn't like the fact that you are white then you would consider that to be ok?

You are missing the point, if he doesnt like me and acts on it whether it be through not promoting me, shooting me, burning my house down, etc ..... then there is a problem. If he is racist against me but doesn't do anything, just inwardly doesnt like me because of my race then no i dont care and neither should you. It doesnt matter if he has money or not, if he doesnt do anything to harm me then its no skin off my nuts.

[One Brow]

I disagree. You can still have racism in an equal "power" situation.

You can still have racist thought, opinions, cognitive short-cuts, etc. Everyone has them. That is not racism.

You can even have racially discriminative actions, that don't upset an equal power balance, if such a balance were to exist. This might be because such actions don't distrub the equilibrium or form a dynamic equilibrium. That is not racism.

Racism is when these thoughts, opinions, cognitive short-cuts, and discriminative actions combine to form a culture where people, either directly or indirectly, have their actions treated with different values, their personhood compressed and otherized, their opportunites curtailed, etc. There is no reverse racism. Racism requires teh existence of a group held as the normal, and by definition such a group is not marginalized.

[One Brow]

i am just having a good time. i thought it would make you shake your head and smile.

I couldn't give you rep, so I'll just say thank you for making sure I don't take this too seriously.

[HeavenHarris]

is it reverse racialism to believe white people sometime don't or won't understand true racialism because as aforementioned, they are white?
or instead of racialism, is it the truth? or is it a bit of both, because some are able to understand it when placed in certain situations like Hayward in the NBA.
Though he is a bit of an exception because he is in the NBA but then again he is in Utah.

discuss.

[One Brow]

So basically if an african american who is broke and has no job decides to burn your house down just because he doesn't like the fact that you are white then you would consider that to be ok?

The police will be much more likely to catch that guy, because they'll investigate more diligently than if you burned down his house. Once caught, he'll face more serious charges, be much more likely to go into the prison system, serve a longer sentence, and will find it harder to get a job after he gets out. Further, that guy has a pretty good idea this is true, even if he hasn't read the studies that back this up.

So, you're pretty safe on that count.

[One Brow]

is it reverse racialism to believe white people sometime don't or won't understand true racialism because as aforementioned, they are white?

I've never been in the military. Is it prejudice to say I'll never understand what it means to go through boot camp in the same way and to the same degree as a veteran?

[Hartsock]

Racism is an action, not a thought or opinion.

[One Brow]

Racism is an action, not a thought or opinion.

Racism is a system, one that accepts and promotes both thoughts and actions in a feedback cycle.

[Gameface]

So a poor redneck truck drive cannot be racist. Am I right?

[JazzSpazz]

They can be racist but does anyone give a ****? The only time racism is really a problem is when one race is holding another down. I dont care if an african american doesnt like me, but if he doesnt like me and is my boss then there is a problem.

So you are saying racism has nothing to do with racism.

It's all about power over someone else. If race is not the key factor, then it is not racism, it's something else.

[JazzSpazz]

You can still have racist thought, opinions, cognitive short-cuts, etc. Everyone has them. That is not racism.

You can even have racially discriminative actions, that don't upset an equal power balance, if such a balance were to exist. This might be because such actions don't distrub the equilibrium or form a dynamic equilibrium. That is not racism.

Racism is when these thoughts, opinions, cognitive short-cuts, and discriminative actions combine to form a culture where people, either directly or indirectly, have their actions treated with different values, their personhood compressed and otherized, their opportunites curtailed, etc. There is no reverse racism. Racism requires teh existence of a group held as the normal, and by definition such a group is not marginalized.

Racism is an action, not a thought or opinion.

Racism is a system, one that accepts and promotes both thoughts and actions in a feedback cycle.

Thoughts lead directly to actions, whether small are large.

Racism can be seen by the actions, but it stems from the thoughts.

A person can be racist and not act on those ideas, and yet still be racist. Usually those thoughts lead to words, and if unrestrained will usually turn to actions from that point.

Please tell me what action in the human existence did not start first with a thought?

Racism can start with one person, and be contained in one person.

We can agree to disagree on this. You view racism as starting somewhere more advanced than I believe. I see it as starting in the thoughts on the individual level. You don't see it as racism until more people are involved if I understand you correctly OB.

[CitizenofCapua]

If you guys want to know how racism is evolves and advances gradually, watch this movie. The movie is more about fascism and discrimination but this notions very close to each other and got same morals ideologicly.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1063669/

In my opinion racism starts with when you feel privileged, not personally but as an ethnical group from other ethnic sections of society and advances when you perform minor or more radical acts against the other sections of society.

OP; I don't think there is a "reverse" racism (whatever that means..) against Hayward and if there is a hate against Hayward on this board it must be about his overall performance as a player and his "reverse" lay-ups.

[One Brow]

So a poor redneck truck drive cannot be anything other than racist, since he's a human. Am I right?

Fixed it for you.

[One Brow]

I see it as starting in the thoughts on the individual level. You don't see it as racism until more people are involved if I understand you correctly OB.

I think it's good vocaulary to use different words for different concepts. I can see actions as being based in cognitive shorcuts that are racist in nature, and have no problem saying those are racist actions. However, racism is a property of a culture, not a person.