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    reference please, onebrow

    Quote Originally Posted by One Brow View Post
    That's how it is used by people who stody the phenomenon.
    Then it should be very easy for you to provide 3 quotes from scholars of racism that state that racism is purely action, completely independent of thought or opinion....

    Looking forward to your reply, onebrow, tick tock

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    Doubt this will convince onebrow...

    Quote Originally Posted by One Brow View Post
    That's how it is used by people who stody the phenomenon. Dictionaries are great for looking at popular conceptions, less so if you want to discuss concepts in detail. Also, there is nothing in your definition to indicate it is an individual belief, as opposed to a cultural belief (that is, part of the milleu of beliefs associated with the members of a given culture).
    That would be a great argument if the dictionary were somehow out of step with scholars of racism, which of course is not the case.

    According to the US Civil Rights Commission, Racism is any action or attitude, conscious or unconscious, that subordinates an individual or group based on skin colour or race. It can be enacted individually or institutionally.

    http://www.usccr.gov

    This commission includes Abigail Thernstrom, Adjunct Scholar, American Enterprise Institute, Peter N. Kirsanow, Corporate Advisor in Public Policy and California State University Trustee, Gail Heriot, Professor of Law, University of San Diego, Todd F. Gaziano, Senior Fellow in Legal Studies, The Heritage Foundation

    If you want to argue that this is just political, check out their web site, the commission is a mix of independents, republicans and democrats.

    If you want, you can easily find dozens of other scholars or racism who us a similar working definition, such as this one http://academic.udayton.edu/race/01race/race08.htm

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    ^^^ This.

    Differentiating between a racist and racism is the same as differentiating between a Mormon and Mormonism.

    To waste time debating the difference, or lack there of, is stupid.
    #BelieveInLindsey

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoked View Post
    ^^^ This.

    Differentiating between a racist and racism is the same as differentiating between a Mormon and Mormonism.
    ......how do you tell the difference between a radical Muslim......and a non-radical Muslim? Homeland Security has spent billions and billions of dollars with no end in sight!

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    Quote Originally Posted by carolinajazz View Post
    ......how do you tell the difference between a radical Muslim......and a non-radical Muslim? Homeland Security has spent billions and billions of dollars with no end in sight!
    Don't talk to me.
    #BelieveInLindsey

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoked View Post
    Don't talk to me.
    .......so your saying our relationship is terminated? We never had a relationship.

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    i am always interested in different opinons so, carolinajazz, you intrigue me.
    this is america, if someone wants to be a racialist, they have a right to be a racialist.
    how do you feel about the 3/5ths rule--gives blacks too much power, or just enough?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeavenHarris View Post
    how do you feel about the 3/5ths rule--gives blacks too much power, or just enough?
    ....have no idea what your talking about. Never heard of the "3/5ths rule!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by silesian View Post
    Then it should be very easy for you to provide 3 quotes from scholars of racism that state that racism is purely action, completely independent of thought or opinion....
    Tell you what: when you show you have given this enough thought to accurately restate what I said, then I'll be happy to oblige. As it is, I would reject the categorization of racism you presented in that post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silesian View Post
    According to the US Civil Rights Commission, Racism is any action or attitude, conscious or unconscious, that subordinates an individual or group based on skin colour or race. It can be enacted individually or institutionally.
    I did not say the dictionary definition was in colflict with the definition as I provided it, I emphasized that is was not. Seriously, read before responding.

    Hoprefully, you will at some point show sufficeint understanding to realize this is completely compatible with my point that racism is facet of a culture, not an individual. In particular, you mihgt consider the difference between "X has racism" and "X enacted racism".
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    Quote Originally Posted by One Brow View Post
    Hoprefully, you will at some point show sufficeint understanding to realize this is completely compatible with my point that racism is facet of a culture, not an individual. In particular, you mihgt consider the difference between "X has racism" and "X enacted racism".
    You're really splitting hairs here, though. People are capable of having racist ideas, attitudes, beliefs and behaviors. Any person, or as I'm sure you'll point out, all people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoked View Post
    Differentiating between a racist and racism is the same as differentiating between a Mormon and Mormonism.
    Since I don't use the phrase "X is a racist", your analogy fails, hard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gameface View Post
    You're really splitting hairs here, though. People are capable of having racist ideas, attitudes, beliefs and behaviors. Any person, or as I'm sure you'll point out, all people.
    Of course. The difference is the attempt that people make to rationalize the problem by creating an "othering" category of "racists". That allows such people to say "they are racists; I am not". Noting that racism is a description of a culture, not a person, empahsizes that it is the responsibility of every participant in the culture, and not just a few nut jobs that can be ignored.
    http://lifetheuniverseandonebrow.blogspot.com/

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    Do you have an academic education in culture, One Brow? Anthropology, sociology, something similar?


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    youre inquires are tiresome

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkwing Duck View Post
    Do you have an academic education in culture, One Brow? Anthropology, sociology, something similar?
    No I've just been doing somereading lately. If I have been misunderstanding, I'm open to correction. I do insist that someone has to understand what I wronte before they can correct it.
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